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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 21 2007, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't a redzone attempt from whenever the offense has got inside the 20-yard line. So an attempt where the LOS is at the 20 yard line, probably a 38 yarder, would be counted as a redzone FG attempt?
If so then even if the offense got inside the 20, lost some yards, say to the 25 yard line, and settled for a FG with the LOS from there, that would be a redzone FG attempt.

Nm about that post I miss read him, I read it fast and I just woke up then and I thought he was saying that the redzone is up to the 38 yard line, so I said that no it is in the 20 yard line., but still Nugent only missed 1 field goal on 40+. Also you cant say that Nugent stats would stink if he didnt have redzone shots, because every kicker gets Redzone shots, that is taking like 70% of every kickers field goals.

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 21 2007, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
20 of his 27 FG attempts this season were from the red zone. Nugent uses an 8-yd snap, so anything 38-yds or less is red zone for him.

They dont count that where the ball is snaped too, they count it from the LOS for how long the field goal is.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nm about that post I miss read him, I read it fast and I just woke up then and I thought he was saying that the redzone is up to the 38 yard line, so I said that no it is in the 20 yard line., but still Nugent only missed 1 field goal on 40+. Also you cant say that Nugent stats would stink if he didnt have redzone shots, because every kicker gets Redzone shots, that is taking like 70% of every kickers field goals.


I wasn't discrediting Nugent I was just asking about the redzone FG point. Nugent for the most last season (except Tennessee) made the kicks he needed to make and his % was superb. 88.9% success rate whilst playing half your games in the wind swept Meadowlands is a great feat and shows Nugent is getting accustomed to kicking in such conditions. However if he could land 88.9% of his kickoffs inside the 7 yard line and kick more into the endzone then I'll be happier. cool2.gif
I wouldn't expect his % to stay that high though but if he can keep it around the 85% range the next couple of years I'd be extremely impressed as that's making 17 out of every 20 kicks.
Also who cares that 20 of his 27 kicks or whatever stat it was were kicks from the redzone because it shows the offense is making his job easier and getting into the redzone consistently. If 20 out of his 27 kicks were outside the redzone, yeah it would be more impressive for Nugent but it would mean the offense isn't doing as well.
If Nugent can add 2-3 more yards of leg on his kicks he should be a fine kicker for years to come.

I think I mislead you by saying a redzone kick, the LOS must be in the red zone but the length of kick is determined by where the kick is taken from, not the LOS. For a punt the length is determined from where the LOS is. Redzone kick: LOS must be in redzone, but length is determined from where the holder is.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 21 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Also who cares that 20 of his 27 kicks or whatever stat it was were kicks from the redzone because it shows the offense is making his job easier and getting into the redzone consistently. If 20 out of his 27 kicks were outside the redzone, yeah it would be more impressive for Nugent but it would mean the offense isn't doing as well.


I agree. I mean yeah, I've been one of the most anti-Nugent people here, but that's pretty weak to use that argument against him. If he missed the bulk of those 20 red zone kicks, I would be pissed off...but you can't knock him for where he attempts the FG's because he has no control over that.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

Kickers dont have to be good at KOs anymore, alot of teams have kickers that are just good at KOs, so we probaly should go after one. Nugent showed that he was good at kicking field goals. Though Nugent may not get many TBs he does kick in inside the 10 like every time. He just needs to work on getting his leg stronger, I expect the Jets trainers to get his legs stronger. If he isnt good then at KO, then I expect them to sign a KO specialist.

Oh and Smeds, I was talking about the other guy in that post, just the first line or so was to you. And I checked it on a highlight, and counted the yards to the LOS and to where the ball is snaped, and it was the LOS where they counted it.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kickers dont have to be good at KOs anymore, alot of teams have kickers that are just good at KOs, so we probaly should go after one. Nugent showed that he was good at kicking field goals. Though Nugent may not get many TBs he does kick in inside the 10 like every time. He just needs to work on getting his leg stronger, I expect the Jets trainers to get his legs stronger. If he isnt good then at KO, then I expect them to sign a KO specialist.

Oh and Smeds, I was talking about the other guy in that post, just the first line or so was to you. And I checked it on a highlight, and counted the yards to the LOS and to where the ball is snaped, and it was the LOS where they counted it.


The only problem with getting a KO specialist is that it will take up one extra roster spot perhaps for a guy who is solid on STs or someone who can step in for an injured guy. I know teams like Denver use it and Indianapolis and Dallas did when they had Vanderjagt but that's only because there kickers weren't good on kickoffs so they were forced into doing it rather than doing it out of preference. I'm sure Mike Shanahan would rather have Elam rather than Ernster on kickoffs and be able to have another player in his place on the roster.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 21 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only problem with getting a KO specialist is that it will take up one extra roster spot perhaps for a guy who is solid on STs or someone who can step in for an injured guy. I know teams like Denver use it and Indianapolis and Dallas did when they had Vanderjagt but that's only because there kickers weren't good on kickoffs so they were forced into doing it rather than doing it out of preference. I'm sure Mike Shanahan would rather have Elam rather than Ernster on kickoffs and be able to have another player in his place on the roster.

Thats true, thats why I hope he gets his leg stronger. The guy I wish we had for KOs, is the Jaguars kicker, Schobe, or what ever his name is. He kicks TBs like every time! Hes a beast!
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nm about that post I miss read him, I read it fast and I just woke up then and I thought he was saying that the redzone is up to the 38 yard line, so I said that no it is in the 20 yard line., but still Nugent only missed 1 field goal on 40+. Also you cant say that Nugent stats would stink if he didnt have redzone shots, because every kicker gets Redzone shots, that is taking like 70% of every kickers field goals.


Who said Nugent's stats would stink? Didn't I say 85.7% was still good? You know, I realize you're just a teenager, and I'm really trying to be nice here, but I don't have time to be your daddy and teach you stuff, especially if you're not willing to listen or even THINK a little, because frankly it's not my job. Maybe the internet is killing education these days, because too many of you have the attention span and reading comp skills of a chihuahua. It's painfully sad, and makes these forums suck. You guys should stick to the kiddie board .....seriously.


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They dont count that where the ball is snaped too, they count it from the LOS for how long the field goal is.



Errr, REALLY? Who's "they?" If the ball is on the 20, you're IN THE RED ZONE. The kick is a 38-yarder. My point was we're not scoring enough TDs in the red zone. BTW, a 20-yard FG means the ball is at the 2-yd line. You knew that, of course....
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats true, thats why I hope he gets his leg stronger.


I think in Nugent's case, he needs to put on more weight, more lower body muscle so he can hit the ball like a sledgehammer instead of a croquet stick.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 21 2007, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who said Nugent's stats would stink? Didn't I say 85.7% was still good? You know, I realize you're just a teenager, and I'm really trying to be nice here, but I don't have time to be your daddy and teach you stuff, especially if you're not willing to listen or even THINK a little, because frankly it's not my job. Maybe the internet is killing education these days, because too many of you have the attention span and reading comp skills of a chihuahua. It's painfully sad, and makes these forums suck. You guys should stick to the kiddie board .....seriously.
Errr, REALLY? Who's "they?" If the ball is on the 20, you're IN THE RED ZONE. The kick is a 38-yarder. My point was we're not scoring enough TDs in the red zone. BTW, a 20-yard FG means the ball is at the 2-yd line. You knew that, of course....


The argument here is about Mike Nugent and perhaps you're the one that needs to grow up a bit. Yeah us teenagers like me, 0099, ChadforPres and a few others may be a little naive at times but nobody around here knows it all and everyone's entitled to their opinion so just put up with it.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 21 2007, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who said Nugent's stats would stink? Didn't I say 85.7% was still good? You know, I realize you're just a teenager, and I'm really trying to be nice here, but I don't have time to be your daddy and teach you stuff, especially if you're not willing to listen or even THINK a little, because frankly it's not my job. Maybe the internet is killing education these days, because too many of you have the attention span and reading comp skills of a chihuahua. It's painfully sad, and makes these forums suck. You guys should stick to the kiddie board .....seriously.
Errr, REALLY? Who's "they?" If the ball is on the 20, you're IN THE RED ZONE. The kick is a 38-yarder. My point was we're not scoring enough TDs in the red zone. BTW, a 20-yard FG means the ball is at the 2-yd line. You knew that, of course....


#1) i'm warning u. no personal attacks.
#2) the kick is 17 yards longer then the LOS. not 18. 10 for the endzone, and 7 for the snap. so it would be a 37 yarder or less would be from the red zone
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:44 PM

This thread is about Mike Nugent. He made all of his kicks except for 3 this year. Why are we talking about them scoring TDs in the red zone? Can you blame Nugent for the offense not getting TDs? He does his job when called upon and was extremely successful this year. Am I missing something?
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 21 2007, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
#1) i'm warning u. no personal attacks.
#2) the kick is 17 yards longer then the LOS. not 18. 10 for the endzone, and 7 for the snap. so it would be a 37 yarder or less would be from the red zone


#1) Warning accepted. However, everytime I make a perfectly valid point, some uneducated pube flies out of his bunk and creates an unwarranted, and unnecessary argument based on misreading, misconstruing, and misinforming.......for what? The joy of arguing? Then they accuse ME of arguing. Man, it's totally a drag, and it never seems to end. My first visit here, just prior to the WC game, was ruined by the same BS. The personal attacks weren't initiated by me, I just reacted to them. The proof is all there.

#2) A seven yard snap is textbook only. Nugent uses an eight yard snap. I thought I made that clear. If you don't believe me, go look up any play-by-play record of any Jets game this season. Just don't bother with Weeks 3, 4, 5, or 11. He made no attempts then.


QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 21 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This thread is about Mike Nugent. He made all of his kicks except for 3 this year. Why are we talking about them scoring TDs in the red zone? Can you blame Nugent for the offense not getting TDs? He does his job when called upon and was extremely successful this year. Am I missing something?



Yes.

And the explanations were already given elsewhere in this thread.

Again, who's blaming Nugent for anything other than his kickoffs?
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 09:08 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 21 2007, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
#1) Warning accepted. However, everytime I make a perfectly valid point, some uneducated pube flies out of his bunk and creates an unwarranted, and unnecessary argument based on misreading, misconstruing, and misinforming.......for what? The joy of arguing? Then they accuse ME of arguing. Man, it's totally a drag, and it never seems to end. My first visit here, just prior to the WC game, was ruined by the same BS. The personal attacks weren't initiated by me, I just reacted to them. The proof is all there.

#2) A seven yard snap is textbook only. Nugent uses an eight yard snap. I thought I made that clear. If you don't believe me, go look up any play-by-play record of any Jets game this season. Just don't bother with Weeks 3, 4, 5, or 11. He made no attempts then.
Yes.

And the explanations were already given elsewhere in this thread.

Again, who's blaming Nugent for anything other than his kickoffs?

Dude, I dont know what your so upset about, but you have a anger problem. Take a chill pill.
Now, I may have been wrong about the kicking shit, but that doesnt mean that I am misinformed all the time. I never played kicker before, and frankly I dont pay to much attention to it, because its not a huge part of the game. I can guarentee you though, that I am not as "misinformed" on every other postion, besides punter in football. But talking about taking redzones shots out to lower their field goal % is a weird way to look at things, since that does make up like almost all of the field goal attempts in the NFL. As Im writeing this the Pats just scored a TD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ps. about me misreading what you said, I already deleted that post a while ago, as soon as I read Smeds post and relised I miss read it, but come on every one makes mistakes, there no need to call people morons or w/e. So dont act like I made a huge arguement when I didnt read it clearly, because I deleted that post. If you have a problem with my age, and with anyone else who is a teenager, then maybe you just shouldnt read half of the posts on the board, or maybe a forum message board isnt for you. Because there is no age limit on this site, and there is plenty of teanagers that may be smarter or knows just as much as you.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dude, I dont know what your so upset about, but you have a anger problem. Take a chill pill.
Now, I may have been wrong about the kicking shit, but that doesnt mean that I am misinformed all the time. I never played kicker before, and frankly I dont pay to much attention to it, because its not a huge part of the game. I can guarentee you though, that I am not as "misinformed" on every other postion, besides punter in football. But talking about taking redzones shots out to lower their field goal % is a weird way to look at things, since that does make up like almost all of the field goal attempts in the NFL. As Im writeing this the Pats just scored a TD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ps. about me misreading what you said, I already deleted that post a while ago, as soon as I read Smeds post and relised I miss read it, but come on every one makes mistakes, there no need to call people morons or w/e. So dont act like I made a huge arguement when I didnt read it clearly, because I deleted that post. If you have a problem with my age, and with anyone else who is a teenager, then maybe you just shouldnt read half of the posts on the board, or maybe a forum message board isnt for you. Because there is no age limit on this site, and there is plenty of teanagers that may be smarter or knows just as much as you.

on a lighter note: if u think about it punters play a big part of the game actually, if u dont have a good punter the other team gets good field position and can easily score
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:14 PM

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:20 PM

Yea I know, but kicking is not the largest part of football.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 22 2007, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea I know, but kicking is not the largest part of football.


But without it you're points per game average is going to decrease by upwards of 3 points per game which would be pivotal and in the field position battle there is a lot at stake as good field position could be the difference between the other team gaining points or your defense forcing a punt. However without a good offense or defense your not going to go anywhere either. Therefore IMO you could say all three sectors of the game are as important as each other.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea I know, but kicking is not the largest part of football.


Obviously not the most important but it's the difference between making the big games. Needless to say, how many kicks have been the deciding point in AFC Championships and Superbowls? A whole hell of alot. They're more important than you're giving them credit for.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 03:24 PM

When your watching football, do you watch it for the kickers and punters?????
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 22 2007, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When your watching football, do you watch it for the kickers and punters?????


Not really but they are positions that fans take for granted. We don't really notice them unless they make a mistake or win a big game with a kick but they are overlooked. They are basically the no name guys with a big job.
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