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santana Icon : (02 January 2017 - 02:19 PM) texans coach? i doubt he gets fired
santana Icon : (02 January 2017 - 02:19 PM) but he would be ideal if the jets were to flush bowles out
santana Icon : (02 January 2017 - 04:36 PM) http://www.nj.com/je...trol_of_je.html
azjetfan Icon : (05 January 2017 - 09:54 PM) Sean Payton will get another HC gig. Obrien would be good.
azjetfan Icon : (09 January 2017 - 11:18 PM) Howard from Alabama seems legit. #88 TE
azjetfan Icon : (09 January 2017 - 11:20 PM) Williams the WR from Clemson looks like they are out to get him. He has taken some huge hits
vjdbbq Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:12 AM) We'll take Williams in the first round .
Chadforpresi... Icon : (10 January 2017 - 10:48 AM) I'd love Howard in the 2nd round if he's still there. I like Williams a lot as well, but I just don't see WR being big enough of a need, and there should be better talent on the board at 6
Jetsfan115 Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:21 PM) Raiders OC Musgrave not expected to return to OAK. what do you think about getting him? he did wonders with the oakland offense this year
Chadforpresi... Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:39 PM) Definitely an appealing choice given with his history of progressing Carr. We need someone with a track record of grooming young QBs
MikeGangGree... Icon : (12 January 2017 - 12:36 PM) I want Watson now! after what he did Monday night I'm sold on him at QB. He moved the ball all night on Alabama and after hurts scored that TD he just told his team "Lets end this"
Jetsfan115 Icon : (12 January 2017 - 06:31 PM) An Ohio prosecutor says he wants to know what punishment Cincinnati Bengals player Adam "Pacman" Jones faces from the NFL before deciding how to proceed over Jones' latest arrest, Dan Sewell of the Associated Press reports..

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters tells WKRC-TV he's asking "what is the normal" for a player with multiple offenses and who's been suspended before.

An NFL spokesman said on Thursday that Jones' case is "under review" and declined to comment further.

Jones was jailed Jan. 3 on charges he head-butted police and spit on a nurse after his arrest for assault. Authorities say he was so combative he had to be placed in a restraint chair.

Jones says he anticipates the charges will be dismissed.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (12 January 2017 - 06:32 PM) we wont get watson. he's going 1st overall to the browns
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:06 PM) Is Watson a product of Clemson's staff and supporting cast? Taj Boyd also put up some decent numbers if I remember correctly but he couldn't even make a scout team in the NFL.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:11 PM) From what I have read (although limited) he is not the highest ranked QB in the draft.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:11 PM) "No quarterback in this draft -- not Mitch Trubisky, not Watson, not DeShone Kizer -- is considered a sure thing. The folks at Scouts Inc. rank Trubisky, Watson and Kizer as the 21st, 38th and 46th prospects on their big board, respectively." ESPN
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:12 PM) If we can get a decent return for Richardson we may be able to make a move into the mid teens to early 20s if the Brass really likes Watson.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:13 PM) Personally I don't think the jets have a clue on who they will take. We still have to hit FA and manage our roster
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 11:46 PM) Jets to interview Broncos assistant Studesville for OC
Jetsfan115 Icon : (13 January 2017 - 01:28 PM) Why? seems like a weird choice
Jetsfan115 Icon : (13 January 2017 - 01:29 PM) Leonard Williams replacing Khalil Mack in Pro Bowl
Chadforpresi... Icon : (13 January 2017 - 09:49 PM) I'm not buying Watson, even after that championship game. Dude threw too many picks in his day
Chadforpresi... Icon : (13 January 2017 - 09:49 PM) I'm really curious to see what we get for Richardson, but I have a bad feeling his value is at an all time low between his crap season and bad attitude
azjetfan Icon : (14 January 2017 - 12:16 AM) I agree. He is a first round talent but a fourth round headache. We will be lucky to get a 2nd
Chadforpresi... Icon : (14 January 2017 - 08:41 AM) Yeah precisely. 2nd rounder would be a huge stretch. 3rd or 4th is more likely
vjdbbq Icon : (14 January 2017 - 02:18 PM) Send Sheldon someplace he will never see the playoffs ; like Jacksonville ; then he will have time to find da ho's .
azjetfan Icon : (14 January 2017 - 07:25 PM) R Sherman is getting torched by the Falcons.
vjdbbq Icon : (16 January 2017 - 09:37 AM) Pats vs Pitt - root for injuries
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 January 2017 - 12:36 PM) GB-ATL game is gonna be a hell of a shootout. that throw rodgers made on 3rd and 20 with 12 seconds left in a tied game was ridiculous. 35 yards rolling out to his left a perfect placed ball on the sideline.
azjetfan Icon : (16 January 2017 - 10:50 PM) Winters resigned to 4 year deal. $7 million per year
Chadforpresi... Icon : (16 January 2017 - 10:51 PM) Seems like a slightly steep price but overall cool with it, he's turned into a good player and is still young. Just needs to stay healthy.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (17 January 2017 - 04:12 PM) seems like a good deal. they were saying he could have earned over 8 million in the open market
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) Where's Rob ?
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) Is he looking for a new ass ?
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) :saythat:
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:13 AM) :trink39:
Jetsfan115 Icon : (18 January 2017 - 01:32 PM) 4 years 29 mil 15 mil guarenteed. so 7.25mil a year for winters. a nice bargain. he took a hometown discount. seems like a good guy. well done winters and mac
Jetsfan115 Icon : (18 January 2017 - 04:33 PM) Jets hire Dennard Wilson as defensive backs coach
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 January 2017 - 04:01 PM) Trump to name Jets' owner Woody Johnson U.K. ambassador
vjdbbq Icon : (19 January 2017 - 06:04 PM) Maybe Woody will take the Jets with him to London . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Jetsfan115 Icon : (20 January 2017 - 11:13 AM) Mark Gastineau says he has dementia, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 07:54 AM) f***ing Pats again
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 07:54 AM) :sterb003: Tom Brady
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 03:00 PM) If the pats manage to win again I hope they cow tip goodell right at the podium
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:00 PM) in 2 weeks i'm gonna be the biggest falcons fan for a day LMAO
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 18 2005, 01:02 PM)
I only listed the most recent. Zelda was a true RPG and the first 3 FFs sucked. Only 4 and 7 were decent. Definitely not revolutionary. The same choice menu. A hybrid was more like parasite eve not Zelda. Zelda had the right idea. FF bores you too much. D&D were great RPGs as well but the newer ones sucked. And I never played eye of the beholder. Like I said I had almost every system since calico. Minus sega Saturn and dreamcast. I’ll name all the ones I had. Calico, Atari, Nintendo, super Nintendo, sega genisis, PS1, Nintendo 64, GC, PS2, and xbox. I know RPGs. FF might be popular now only because what else does PS2 have? That’s why. Its like the only RPG for play station. That’s why its popular. If I didn’t have a choice I would play it too.


You keep shwoing your ignorance. As I already said, and if you actually did some research you would know this, no game at the time of the first FF had a soundtrack as that game (and even more so in the next three) did. THose were masterful soundtracks that have all been released as albums in Japan. The reason games like Halo have great soundtracks NOW, is because FF did it THEN.

Also as I already said, games back then didn't have storylines like FF. Rarely did was there extended dialogue scenes or did charcters go through any notable personality changes. The FFs were the games that took storylines seriously and worked them into the console system.

And as you can't see why Zelda is less of an RPG than Final Fantasy:

Let me explain what an RPG is. An RPG was, in its first form, a text game. The first and most famous of these was of course Dungeons and Dragons. A text RPG is based around a few things. There is a fairly complex system for measuring stats (such as strength, speed, intelligence, and experience gained). These systems are used to develop the charcters into more powerful entites. But because D&D was originally played by a GM verbally informing the other players of what was happening, letting them choose their reactions, and then using dice as a result (most importantly because all this was done without any physical representation of the world the charcters inhabitated) the game also emphasized storytelling. It was important for the GM to be able to relate what a monster, what the enviroment the charcters were in, what everything looked and/or smelled like. Thus RPGs became a genre in which a story was the binding force of the action. THe most successful RPGs have always been ones with well thought out plots. (also, let me emphasize again that the RPG has a tradition of havign no physical representation of the actual game, although later players began using drawn mazes and caves and scale modeled figures)

Early in the life of home computers developers were already trying to take these games and translate their systems into a video games. THe first truley successfull attempt were three games that used a first person view and a functional version of the D&D numbers system. From "rolling dice" to create your charcter to "rolling dice" to turn back and attack or resist a magic spell, these games simulated teh whole experience.

Now, with the Genre there, a lot of games started to come out based on the same ideas. Mostly they were semi-plot driven stories about a hero trying to save his village or lost love, and in the process getting some new equipment and some more life or magic powers. But for a long time nothing came out that really changed things. Then RPGs kind of forked (as I already pointed out, these two games were released within a month of each other).

On the one hand, there was Zelda. The first two Zelda games had simple stat increases (life and magic meters) and a couple weapon upgrades. But the game tended towards action as you moved the charcter around, fought monsters in real time, and in general had a much more physical game. In general, Zleda tended more towards a Bayou Billy or Byonic Commando than D&D.

Then there was Final Fantasy. FF tended towards the more true D&D style of RPG. THere was a large overworld map, and moving into areas triggered a shift into a smaller area. The charcters were much less linear than in many previous RPGs, and much more similar to D&D where you could choose your's charcter class, spells, armor from a wide assortment. When you fought a monster (which was essentailly a random event, with no monsters appearing on the overworld map), you were shifted to a batlle screen where you choose what type of attack to do and the game worked out what happened.

In addition, FF (and they really took it to new heights with IV) was the first console game with a fairly complex plot. The FFs (and I especially mean I-VI and IX) were extremly plot heavy (and so I guess could be called "boring" by some people more interested in action based games) that emphasized charcters' personalitys, their reaction to events, and charcter development.

Today, so many genres are so mixed it is hard not to start labeling most games with multiple names (action/RPG/adventure or FPS/action), and in particular many games made in the current era tend to have many elements of RPG. But a true RPG is always going to be a game that has a noticable nod to it's D&D heritage.


So I hope you see why Final Fantasy is a series that is by far more RPG than many others. As a side note, and I kinda of hinted at this earlier, the first...First Person games were RPGs. So those original D&D games were some of the literally most revolutinary games ever made.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:18 PM

That’s a very good post but your missing the whole point. FF wasn’t the first to do it. You said your self it was played w/o systems just dice then basically translated to games. Monopoly on the PC isn’t a breakthrough just a translation. Like playing magoc the card game (which I have never played) I don’t doubt FF was revolutionary but it wasn’t entertaining albeit I was very young when it first came out so that never interested me. I’m also not much of a book reader. A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG. By you definition FF and D&D are the only RPGs. Morrowind had more text (I believe they said 5 times more the war and piece) in it but is nothing fitting into your description. Like I said good post but still not fully fact. More of an opinion. So ignorant isn’t what you should call me
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:34 PM

Nice try to blow off my argument. I called them "true" RPGs, but also called Zelda a branch of it. THere are RPGs with more action in them, but they aren;t as purely an RPG as these games. That makes them a blend. How much of a blend? Should they be called RPG/Action or Action/RPG? That is a different thing than what we are talking about. You said Zelda is more of an RPG than FF, and it isn't. D&D is what created teh term RPG, FF sticks more closely to that formula, Zelda contains much more action and less furthering than the charcter, and so FF is more of a true RPG than Zelda. Fact.

I called FF revolutionary for it's use of music, it's emphasis on charcter development (which no video game before amongst other things), and for it's successful translation of the D&D system into a video game. The D&D games did that.

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A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG


Yes I said that. And just about every video game does that, NOW. Before the RPGs began changing things, video game charcters tended towards beign the same from start ot finish. A charcter's stats, weapons, etc didn't improve throughout the game. In today's games almost every charcter gets better as the game goes on, which is all based in the RPG tradition. But we both know that there is a difference between Morrowind or Fable and GTA or Grand Turismo (okay, GT is pretty close to RPGhood, but not GTA), so don't try to blur the line just to make my argument look bad.

If you don't like to read, than a game with loads of text and little direct action probably wouldn't intrest you. But there is a differnce between you not liking to read and being boring. I can promise you I find very few games to be as interesting as a lot of books.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:39 PM

Fact I didn’t say Zelda was more of an RPG. I said it is more of what an RPG should be. Basically saying that’s how I like my RPGs. Read first. There is no fact when it comes to games. A lot is a gray area. There are a lot of games that can be classified as RPG just like hunter the reckoning which started as what you call a traditiol RPG and now has become a hybrid. Fact is its all opinion. This is getting a little to far for something this petty. Can’t we just agree to disagree?
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 03:44 PM

PS3 is better now and will be better later than XBox360. That's the point of this post fellers! Who gives a *beep* about RPG's? You need an ass kicking system to play it on right? Right! So for better video game play, get a PS3. Or waste your money on an XBox. You'll get the MS MO, "If it's broke, dont fix it! Buy someone elses!" Like everything else MS does, they can't come up with new ideas nor increase the performance of the XBox due to lack of innovation and "creative" thinking.

So lets just agree to disagree on the rpg ... and once we all come to our senses we can agree that Xbox is gonna be eating the turds the PS3 left behind for it!
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:12 PM

Your right MS can’t come up with any ideas. All they did is create xbox live, internal hard drive, top graphics engine to date, the burn music for custom sound tracks ability, online stat tracking, etc. on their first try for a system. Sony was on its second and still couldn’t compare. I hate to say it but all you sony loyalists are idiots if you think that. Right now we don’t know which is better not until they come out. Hey I’m a knick fan and a huge loyalist to them but I’m realistic. They suck. That simple. I’ll probably wind up with the xbox 360 which I hear is also a tivo dvd burner and more. PS2 sucks compared to the xbox but who knows which one will be better but all I know is history repeats itself and if it does then the new xbox will be better
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:24 PM

hey moderators can this topic get moved, no offense but i amgetting sick of this...

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i dont want to be a biatch about it, but thats my two cents... when i come into the football forum it really throws off my mindset to read video game stuff, and i usuall yend up not reading it anyway... but eh, i digress
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:59 PM

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ May 18 2005, 12:31 AM)
Notice. I never posted during this argument. WHy? because I cannot get into these arguments. I have too much to say. and way too little time to say it. Like right now I should have been asleep for like 2 hours already but I had to come here. You know what? This is my last ever post. I need to get my time in priority. I have no time since I've been home between work and my social life. I'm sorry but I respect you all and love this place, but I need my life back and while I was about to post my feelings on the games spoken previously about I decided I couldnt say it all. Good luck to you all and GO JETS!

You're kidding right? I hope you are, I'll miss you. But this belongs elsewhere, it was wierd to find it here.
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