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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Do You Think Leon Washington?

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 11:20 AM

Can be a featured back? Do you guys think he can be? I personaly dont know really yet, I have a good feeling about him, but not so sure yet. I think that if we revamp our offensive line more, then he can be a great RB. I think that he could easily have a 1,200 yard season if we give him the rock. Will see what happens...
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

i think he can, he should had gotten more carries IMO
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

I think he is a role player and will be an excellent change of pace back and reciever out of the backfield...all you have to do is get him in space...as he is one of the best in the league with room to run.

But I could be wrong...I don't think he'll ever be a true feature back...but he may be able to handle most of the load with a big back to supplant him every once in a while.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:26 PM

Yes. Brian Westbrook is a featured back and a fantasy gem. Why can't Leon be the same? I actually think Leon is better in space than Westbrook is. None the less, he still needs a thumper to go out there and help him physically wear down a defense, so.... traditional featured back..... no. He's not a Portis or LT by any stretch. I think we should use him our Atlanta uses Warrick Dunn.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:32 PM

We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:08 PM

yes at first i doubted him but after watching him i feel he can be a mix between westbrook and tiki barber.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:11 PM

I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 28 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???



i dont think houston can stay healthy enough we need to draft a guys to split the carries with washington
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.



I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:41 PM

Good point. I agree.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.

yes but we also r looking for a RB(some of us anyways) because we dont know how good he is i think(well i believe that is some ppl's mind set), however i believe he just needs more carries to prove himself. i dont think he will get the amount of carries that could show he could be a franchise RB this year either though if we keep barlow or draft a RB because then it seems like we would be looking to do a "RB by committee" thing. and if we dont think he can be a franchise RB, i think we should at least have him split carries with the ppl we get or the ppl we have, but if we do it with the ppl we have, we should have him get the majority of the carries unlike last year. however depending on who we get if any1 in FA or the draft, it would determine who gets the majority of the carries. if we were to get some1 like michael turner, i think he should be the one not getting the majority of the carries until proven otherwise but i think at least for the first year or couple years we should if we draft a RB leon should get the majority, because even though hes only ahead of them by 1 year, i think he should still get the majority of the carries unless proven otherwise by a RB we were to draft
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:46 PM

Off the bat next season I dont think he can i think he still needs some more time in the NFL. Look at Westbrook and Barber they both needed time to develop into a feature back.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.

Good point! I like how the Cowboys use their RBs. They run Julius Jones in the 1st half, then in the 2nd use Marion Barber, who is a bit bigger and is more physical, and they just destroy them that way, with Barber nailing them in the 2nd half. W/e we do, Leon Washington needs the ball. Hes a gamechanger! He has excellent vision, and patience. He is also pretty decent up the middle, since he does have that vision, and is small so teams dont see him and he runs up the gut and then always seems to stumble for some yards instead of just getting nailed. He has very strong legs, and obivously very fast and quick. I for one want to see him get the load this year before we decide on getting another back. I rather go after Brian Leonard, who can be our Mike Alstott, and be our FB/RB, he can be the short yardage guy and goal line guy, along with 3rd downs, since he is great at Pass blocking and has great hands. I am wishing everyday that our backfield next year is Washington and Leonard.. Please let it happen.........
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

Yes he can be. all that needs to be said.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:02 PM

we'll find out if we don't get turner of lynch
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.


That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.

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