NYJetsFan.com Forums: Defensive Line Analysis - NYJetsFan.com Forums

Jump to content

Toggle shoutbox NYJETSFAN BANTER

Jetsfan0099 Icon : (24 March 2015 - 08:10 PM) Jets file tampering charges against Patriots for Kraft's comments
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (24 March 2015 - 08:10 PM) lmao
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (24 March 2015 - 09:53 PM) Jets signing Kellen Davis, TE
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (24 March 2015 - 10:00 PM) Hes a good blocking TE
JSOTF Icon : (25 March 2015 - 06:02 AM) So, the question is.......Do I invest to go see the Jets vs Fish in England this season????????
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (25 March 2015 - 07:10 AM) I'm considering going
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (25 March 2015 - 07:10 AM) My brother is moving to London next year...so I have a reason to be over there
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (25 March 2015 - 07:10 AM) This August I should say
Smedsthejet Icon : (25 March 2015 - 02:59 PM) You both should do it...I'll buy the first (overpriced) beers as well! Got my ticket back in January
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (25 March 2015 - 03:02 PM) Smeds if I come over I'll be sure to check you out
santana Icon : (25 March 2015 - 09:58 PM) FIRE FIREMAN ED
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 03:58 AM) Well, I now live accros the pond and maybe some of us could meet up there?
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 03:59 AM) Smeds, where did you get your tickets?
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 05:56 AM) Az bitches!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 06:01 AM) I dont know about all that. As bad as we get over sports the Brits get far worse. You might suffer a huge beat down if you say the wrong thing there. Well maybe not being its televised to the U.S.. Security probably be pretty tight.
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 06:03 AM) Well...... the good thing is I know who to mooch off of now if I go to London.
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 06:47 AM) hahahaha, it isnt European Football!
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:04 AM) Ive seen a lot of videos. Most countries go psycho over their soccer teams. Ive seen some serious very bloody beat downs. Fans stabbing the players and refs,etc. And they say we are bad in the U.S. not even close to that.
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:06 AM) I think one was in Africa....a fan stormed the field and was knifing everyone in sight after his team lost
ROBJETS Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:08 AM) Hell even in mma when the Brits come over they are all cocky as hell. Big time cocky like they are going to easily destroy everyone they face cocky.
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:36 AM) hahahaha
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:36 AM) damn Europeans!
JSOTF Icon : (26 March 2015 - 07:37 AM) They havent fucked with a disgruntled, lifelong Jets fan!!!
Smedsthejet Icon : (26 March 2015 - 02:49 PM) Got my tickets from Ticketmaster the day they went on general sale
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 02:33 AM) You guys get Bellator in London? http://www.bellator.com/schedule its on Spike tv free regular cable channel. in the U.S. and the prelims are free on http://www.spike.com/
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 02:37 AM) London is 4 hours ahead of east coast U.S. Bellator prelims are 7pm Friday night U.S. East Coast time and the main card is 9pm So just add 4 hours to that if you can catch either. Im sure you can catch a stream or use a U.S. VPN if you dont have access to Spike.com. You guys might get Bellator on another channel their just like with the UFC.
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 02:47 AM) Anyway only reason I mentioned it was because of your sense of humor. The last Bellator 134 was called the British Invasion. If you watch mma Might want to add this site to your favorites http://www.mmauk.net...y/bellatornews/
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 02:55 AM) There was one of those hour long shows about the upcoming event featuring the fighters the prior week to Bellator 134 and all 4 of the Brits were cocky as hell. Yelling "The British are coming!!!!"
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 02:57 AM) By the way 135 is tonight if you are interested. I used to watch pretty much all the televised mma now I stick with Bellator and UFC only
ROBJETS Icon : (27 March 2015 - 03:07 AM) that last link is a UK mma site. Only reason i added it. http://www.sherdog.com/ is pretty much the best mma site on the net for everything mma
JSOTF Icon : (27 March 2015 - 07:08 AM) I actually live in Germany
azjetfan Icon : (27 March 2015 - 09:08 PM) Just got done sitting in traffic for 3 hours in Louisville KY.
azjetfan Icon : (27 March 2015 - 09:09 PM) Unbelievably poor planning by the DOT.
santana Icon : (28 March 2015 - 05:48 PM) Favre on my TV selling shaving razors so I bought a years supply
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 02:12 PM) Soooo has anyone had any experience with the new Sling Tv?
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 02:13 PM) $20 a month gets you ESPN and 15 other channels.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 02:18 PM) All streamed.
santana Icon : (Today, 02:57 PM) negative
santana Icon : (Today, 02:58 PM) I'm a fan of the apple tv though. I just use a clients fios tv account to access the different services like watch espn
santana Icon : (Today, 02:59 PM) i also have hbo go netflix amazon prime. with hd antennas i get the local channels as well.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 03:00 PM) I tried the watch ESPN ap but since I cancelled my DTV it said I needed a provider.
santana Icon : (Today, 03:10 PM) yep need an account
santana Icon : (Today, 03:11 PM) nbc sports app also works really well I airplay that to the appletv
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 09:01 PM) Alright signed up for the sling TV bit.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 09:01 PM) Pretty cool so far.
Resize Shouts Area

  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • This topic is locked

Defensive Line Analysis

#1 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:11 PM

Size...this is why our run defense is weak...this is why Vilma can't run free...this is our OLB's can't get as much pressure as they might...this is why our secondary is forced to cover for so long...this is why our defense can't get off the field...

Take a look at these successful 3-4 defensive lines...than take a look at our's...

Dallas Cowboys

LE - 6'4" 300
NT - 6'3" 310
RE - 6'7" 300

San Diego Chargers

LE - 6'3" 290
NT - 6'3" 348
RE - 6'6" 309

New England Patriots

LE - 6'5" 300
NT - 6'2" 325
RE - 6'6" 310

New York Jets

LE - 6'5" 285
NT - 6'1" 317
RE - 6'4" 295

We need to average atleast over 300 pounds. The Patriot's starters average 312 pounds. The Chargers average 316 pounds. Our defensive line averages 299 pounds. It all starts up front...we solidified the offensve by rebuilding the offensive line in last year's draft. Now we need to solidify the defense by rebuilding the defensive line.
Posted Image
0

#2 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,109
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:26 PM

Shaun Ellis is really around 295, he gained up around there last offseason. But yea we really need to get bigger. Our next DE, needs to be 295+ I would like a guy that is like 310. How much does that guy Carriker weigh? He is like 295 right? He could gain up to 305.
Thats why I hate when people say Vilma should be traded, when there is smaller ILBs in 3-4. Its the guys up front that matters, plus Vilma proved the last 3 weeks of this season that he can be a all pro LB in the 3-4, when he made a shit load of plays.
Posted Image
0

#3 User is offline   VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs Icon

  • 06 R.O.Y. Award
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,502
  • Joined: 12-September 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Back in the Jerz

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:33 PM

I don't think size is the problem. Well, not the biggest problem. The problem is twofold. First, even though Dewayne did improve vastly as the season went on, he's just not a NT. It's not his game. He's good at getting to the QB, not eating up blockers. And two, Kimo. Kimo was just awful this year and there is no way he is the starter next year. Whether it's Dewayne at DE with a new NT or Dewayne at NT(with more experience) with a new DE, I fully expect the line to be better next year.
0

#4 User is offline   Chadforpresidentin08 Icon

  • 05 M. I. P. Award/06 Teen MVP Award
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,025
  • Joined: 01-April 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois (Originally from New York)
  • Interests:Jets and Yanks

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 04:31 PM

LOL, you're 9 months late, sort of. This is when some (obviously myself included) thought we could try and have D-Rob as a DE in the 3-4. I wonder if that would work. http://nyjetsfan.com...topic=11302&hl=
"You ask, what is our aim?... It is victory, victory at all cost" Winston Churchill.
Member since March 25, 2005.
0

#5 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:00 PM

Haha...looks like you're way ahead of the game Chadforprez. I've been calling for D Rob to DE since last season too. Just made this topic becaus so many people have been saying we need linebackers and trade Vilma and this and that...but if we fix the line we fix a lot of the defense.
Posted Image
0

#6 User is offline   JetsMan4012 Icon

  • D Coordinator
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,159
  • Joined: 30-October 05
  • Location:here
  • Interests:poker, rapping, football,baseball,basketball,video games

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:10 PM

MAYBE (big maybe, just a thought) we should move kimo to NT and either sign a DE, draft a DE or move robertson to DE, didnt they play him their once and he did pretty good, or we could just start bobby hamilton at DE and shaun ellis
"They think we spellin iverson when the beef all done cuz you be on I-Vs in the E-R son"- 40 Cal
" Winning isn't everything; its the only thing"



RIP Uncle Bob 5/12/06
0

#7 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
MAYBE (big maybe, just a thought) we should move kimo to NT and either sign a DE, draft a DE or move robertson to DE, didnt they play him their once and he did pretty good, or we could just start bobby hamilton at DE and shaun ellis


Nope...Kimo is a goner...or atleast not a starter. Keep him around for his team attitude and experience maybe...

But I don't think the answer to our defensive line problem is currently on the roster...the answer to our DE problem is however...Dewayne Robertson...
Posted Image
0

#8 User is offline   ellisjersey92 Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,168
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:25 PM

when robertson was drafted he was billed as the next warren sapp. now he never lived up to that when we were running the 4-3 but now that hes a nose in the 3-4 he has no shot at pass rushing. his size and skill set really play towards a 3-4 end and im really excited to see what he can do there. if we found a big body in the middle and with ellis and robertson at end, i believe we'd have one of the better defensive lines in the league and that will greatly help our linebackers

0

#9 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:30 PM

Size isn't everything but when you look at the main area of the dline all the stellar defenses have that N.T stud/space eater. The Cowboys 3-4 is weak and leaky. But the Chargers,Pats and Steelers all have that big nasty N.T. We will not be successful untill we have won. Ellis is still a big guy and good for the 3-4 but we need an OLB and N.T. BAD!!!

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
when robertson was drafted he was billed as the next warren sapp. now he never lived up to that when we were running the 4-3 but now that hes a nose in the 3-4 he has no shot at pass rushing. his size and skill set really play towards a 3-4 end and im really excited to see what he can do there. if we found a big body in the middle and with ellis and robertson at end, i believe we'd have one of the better defensive lines in the league and that will greatly help our linebackers


We played D.Rob at DE schematically this year.
0

#10 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,109
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 15 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Size isn't everything but when you look at the main area of the dline all the stellar defenses have that N.T stud/space eater. The Cowboys 3-4 is weak and leaky. But the Chargers,Pats and Steelers all have that big nasty N.T. We will not be successful untill we have won. Ellis is still a big guy and good for the 3-4 but we need an OLB and N.T. BAD!!!
We played D.Rob at DE schematically this year.

The Cowboys 3-4 is good, they stuff the run like all the time. They just cant defend the pass, when teams bring 4 WRs out and spread their defense. Otherwise they were big in the middle and stuffed the run.
Posted Image
0

#11 User is offline   mgjetman Icon

  • Pro Bowl
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 446
  • Joined: 08-November 05
  • Location:chicago,Illinois

Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:39 PM

If only we had a NT that demanded to be doubled teamed.We must stop the run and let J-vilma roam free.
Does the goose have a brother? lol just a joke.
0

#12 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,109
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:22 PM

What about these prospects for NT in the upcoming draft?

Amobi Okoye-6-1 317
Paul Soliai-6-4 334
Stanley Doughty-6-1 331

I wouldnt mind taking Amobi in the first round at all, he is only 20, was a 16 year old freshmen and has tons of potiential to be a huge NT.
Posted Image
0

#13 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 15 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about these prospects for NT in the upcoming draft?

Amobi Okoye-6-1 317
Paul Soliai-6-4 334
Stanley Doughty-6-1 331

I wouldnt mind taking Amobi in the first round at all, he is only 20, was a 16 year old freshmen and has tons of potiential to be a huge NT.


I've thought about that...but chances are with his unwarranted, massive draft hype...Okoye will be gone by 25. So chances are no...but I'd like to have him.

I'm still holding out on Tui coming back and dominating as a NT...it's gonna happen ladies!!! I'm telling you...it's gonna happen!!!
Posted Image
0

#14 User is offline   ellisjersey92 Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,168
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:29 PM

i haven't heard of the last two guys but i like their size. bringing in guys that are robertson's size doesn't really make any sense

0

#15 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i haven't heard of the last two guys but i like their size. bringing in guys that are robertson's size doesn't really make any sense


But it isn't only about size...Robertson has the size...almost...he just doesn't have the style required to be a NT. You know that...he's a pass rusher not a run stopper. You need a space eating, gap clogging guy at NT....D Rob isn't that.

Plus Okoye is only 19 and can most likely easily put on a lot more weight.
Posted Image
0

#16 User is offline   smallguy Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,897
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Gender:Male

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:34 PM

Speaking of NT/the draft does anyone have opinons Louis Leonard from Fresno state? He seems like he could be what we need.
0

#17 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (smallguy @ Jan 15 2007, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of NT/the draft does anyone have opinons Louis Leonard from Fresno state? He seems like he could be what we need.


Maybe in 4 years he could be...but he's the farthest thing from a polished prospect. We already have a project player...he's called Tui Alierakufjsadfjabsfnsafda something...


EDIT - I just checked the Jets roster...Tui is nowhere to be found...he isn't on NFL.com...apparently...we should all stop thinking about Tui.

Pouha...however...is still there...let's hope he makes an impact next year...
Posted Image
0

#18 User is offline   jhsensation10 Icon

  • Drafted Rookie
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 153
  • Joined: 12-May 06

  • NFL Team:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 15 2007, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Size...this is why our run defense is weak...this is why Vilma can't run free...this is our OLB's can't get as much pressure as they might...this is why our secondary is forced to cover for so long...this is why our defense can't get off the field...

Take a look at these successful 3-4 defensive lines...than take a look at our's...

Dallas Cowboys

LE - 6'4" 300
NT - 6'3" 310
RE - 6'7" 300

San Diego Chargers

LE - 6'3" 290
NT - 6'3" 348
RE - 6'6" 309

New England Patriots

LE - 6'5" 300
NT - 6'2" 325
RE - 6'6" 310

New York Jets

LE - 6'5" 285
NT - 6'1" 317
RE - 6'4" 295

We need to average atleast over 300 pounds. The Patriot's starters average 312 pounds. The Chargers average 316 pounds. Our defensive line averages 299 pounds. It all starts up front...we solidified the offensve by rebuilding the offensive line in last year's draft. Now we need to solidify the defense by rebuilding the defensive line.


i think we definitely should use our first rounder on a 3-4 DE this draft. we should definitely draft adam carriker since he would definitely make our dline a lot bigger:

LE- ellis 6'5 290
NT- robertson 6'1 320
RE- carriker 6'6 300

considering lynch will be gone by our first rounder, it has to be carriker in the first round. if carriker's stock has dropped, and lynch is gone, we can go woodley in the first then carriker in the second. however, LB isn't as big of a need as the dline. we do need another pass rush from the OLB spot bc hobson will eventually move inside when barton is cut in a couple of years. we need to address DLine, RB, OLB in that order this draft and what is tricky is that there probably won't be any one worth it at RB by our own 2nd round pick via trade/draft so we might need to use the first on a RB via trade/draft and draft spencer with our own 2nd rounder which i would be happy with.
0

#19 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,109
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe in 4 years he could be...but he's the farthest thing from a polished prospect. We already have a project player...he's called Tui Alierakufjsadfjabsfnsafda something...
EDIT - I just checked the Jets roster...Tui is nowhere to be found...he isn't on NFL.com...apparently...we should all stop thinking about Tui.

Pouha...however...is still there...let's hope he makes an impact next year...

Tui is on the team, they put him on IR, so he is there. Remember? He may not be listed because he is a pratice squad kind of guy. But yea, I really like Tui, he did good in the preseason games and in training camp, he is a big man that can move around and uses his hands well. He may be a good NT, but if we have the chance for Okoye then we have to take it. He is a high risk high reward kind of guy with all the potiential he has. Hopefully he will fall, but DTs usually go fast, but they said he is perfect for NT in the 3-4.
Posted Image
0

#20 User is offline   HurricaneJet32 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,703
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Location:New York

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 15 January 2007 - 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tui is on the team, they put him on IR, so he is there. Remember? He may not be listed because he is a pratice squad kind of guy. But yea, I really like Tui, he did good in the preseason games and in training camp, he is a big man that can move around and uses his hands well. He may be a good NT, but if we have the chance for Okoye then we have to take it. He is a high risk high reward kind of guy with all the potiential he has. Hopefully he will fall, but DTs usually go fast, but they said he is perfect for NT in the 3-4.


Nope...I checked every roster list on newyorkjets.com...

He isn't on the Injured Reserve List...

He isn't on the Practice Squad List...

He isn't anywhere...I'm assuming he's out of football...

Pouha is on the injured reserve list...but Tui isn't...
Posted Image
0

  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • This topic is locked

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users