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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) Catch the f***ing ball nelson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) it all comes down to this
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) David ha ha Nelson is a bum
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) why didn't they talk about Kyle Fuler when torched for 51 yards by Salas?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Bullshit
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) f***
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How the f*** is that not interference
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) That's flag 101 never looking back and pushing the WR
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How is that not PI?
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Never looked for the ball for a second
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) Fuck this game fuck the refs fuck this team fuck the season. I'm over this shit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) That's bullshit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:43 PM) On the bright side we get to play Detroit, San Diego, NE and denver in our next 4 games
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:44 PM) Oh look the refs gave the Jets another timeout. A timeout the Jets didn't even have. SMDH
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Until we get rid of geno smith we are going nowhere. Bottom line. Dude is more erratic than romo
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) I'm really not feeling Geno Smith.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Or any other QB in the league. Trade for Sanchez Now!
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) We'd be 3-0 with Sanchez
SokeSleezy Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Geno's needs to work on his accuracy,Stafford gonna kill us next week smh
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Yeah gonna go with a good old f*** Geno this week. He is still playing better than last year though
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) People saying Sanchez sucks keep in mind he never had a chance to play in morningwegs system. He was held back by shottenheimer
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:47 PM) This team will never have a franchise QB. We can't draft them and when we sign or trade for them, they're past their primes.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) well
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) Because we destoy any promise in our young QBs with our elite offensive support talent.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) another game next week
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 3-0 with Sanchez? Oh god...we've gone there already?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) jets need more talent on O
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) and some god damn DBs
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) Morninweg's system is get the offense going then throw a monkey wrench into things by putting the backup QB in there and f***ing up the offense's rhythm.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:50 PM) Yes I went there. Geno spots these teams 7-10 points weekly and has turned the ball in the redzone 3 games in a row. If not for 2 dropped ints geno would have 4 picks. Dude sucks at best
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:51 PM) Then we got Chris ivory running like marshawn lynch out there and they sit him on the bench the whole fourth quarter
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) I'd like to use the same excuse I used for Sanchez. QB can't really do shit when your best WR would be a #3 if he was lucky on any other team
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) yeah but sanchez was shell shcoked
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) jets werent fixing him
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) Geno will be to after another year or two of this shit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) What's kerleys contract like
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) because if he's underpaid I don't see him sticking around
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) he only looks good because our O is so bad.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) I bet a lot of teams have their eye on him
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:56 PM) Decker doesn't need to play until he is completely healthy
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:58 PM) FIRE IDZIK
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:08 PM) How big was the Sheldon Richardson fumble recovery not being a TD. We quickly went three and out after that
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 PM) Idzik better not be stingy this offseason and address the biggest issues we have WR and Secondary
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:47 PM) King mo says he's ok, injury is minor
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 6 2005, 04:46 PM)
Wow once again u make no sense. Vinny has an arm and can bomb it all day. does that mean that u let him? NO! of course it makes sense. Look lets say westhoff says kick it. lets say nugent kicks it 1 yard deep in the end zone. The guy is gonna run it out and will have all types of room to do it. if he dierectional kicks it to th 5 yard line he’ll gaet tackled earlier so it more then makes up for the yardage. Westhoff is either an idiot or doesn’t have confidence in his unit to cover the whole field. If u watch nugents video in collge he kicks them through the endzone. Its only a 5 yard difference in the NFL I believe so he can kick it 5 yards deep. Remember the out of bounds kicks? Its cause he was trying to directional kick it EVEN WESTHHOFF SAID SO!

wow. once again you make NO sense. I said TOUCHBACKS. I said obviously Nugent doesn't have the leg for TOUCHBACKS. NOT 1 yard deep kicks in the endzone. TOUCHBACKS. so that means that there is no return. just in case you didn't know that. if he's kicking them through the endzone in college then he should be getting touchbacks. like i said he doesn't have the leg. because if he could kick TOUCHBACKS then westhoff would let him. remember TOUCHBACKS. and that is why westhoff has made him directional kick.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:16 AM

Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 7 2005, 10:51 AM)
Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.


hello. you think if he could kick it 5 yards deep or even 2 yards deep taht westhoff would make him directional kick??? listen our special teams hasn't even been good when it comes to kick offs so why continue to directional kick. why not make him kick in the endzone. and lets be for real. NOBODY IN THE NFL RETURNS A KICK THATS 8 yards deep. almost all of those result in touchbacks. you arent' realistic. just realize that nugent doesn't have the leg. if he did we wouldn't directional kick. if he was putting it in the endzone we wouldn't directional kick. its that simple.

you make no sense
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 01:25 PM

Actually they do. Hall returns everyone he gets his hands on. Didn’t he have lke a 108 yards TD return or something. I’m not saying they all do but the better ones do. Plus u can’t guarantee he’ll do it everytime. He might kick one to the 5 and the next one 5 yards deep. Its not madden u know. if it goes 5 yards deep a lot of returners will take it out. westhoff like the directional kick cause it leaves less lanes for the KR to go through. Its like saying graham sucks for kincking it 30 yards and them getting it at the 10 rather then booming it through the end zone. Its called strategy. Obviously u have a problem with either nugernt or TB or drafting a kicker or maybe your doug brien. U haven’t made any points yet except to say if u can kick deep do it every time. I bet you want vinny to throw a bomb every other play too? it might be fun to watch but it doesn’t win games.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:13 PM

how do i have on green glasses if i'm bashing our special teams coach? lay off the pipe please. you make no sense whatsoever
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:06 PM

you make no sense. that green hash you smoke has got you in purple heaven. to think that a coach would directional kick for a guy that kicks kickoffs 8 yards into the endzone. who's smoking??? you are.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:24 PM

Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20. If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out. He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback. That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line. Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (a1elbow @ Oct 7 2005, 11:59 PM)
Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20.  If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out.  He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback.  That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line.  Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback

Well said.

Anyone that attacks Nugent is in need of a reality check. This kid is the real deal.

We'd love to have him.

Grammatica was awesome until the 2003 season... then he was a cancer. Nugent will be just as accurate. Get a stronger ST unit that tackles better. Grammatica hardly kicked Touchbacks as well... but he was nails on the FGs.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:04 AM

the thing is people have consistently gotten it past the 20 on our directional kicks. so you tell me if it's better to kick it long or not
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:12 AM

oh one more thing. anyone who questions nugent is being realistic. what has he done since he's been here?: kicked the ball out of bounds and slipped on a field goal. and otherwise he's made normal 30 or so yard field goals. it's not even about questioning nugent. it's about questioning the jets decision to take him with their first pick in the draft when basically we have other needs.

I mean brien wouldn't didn't kick out of bounds all year last year and didn't miss a kick under 40 yards so thats why it's justified to question that decision.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:16 AM

look if u want yo hate nugent fine then do it but don't use your hate for him to try and twist facts
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:15 AM

what did I twist?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:23 PM

the fact that he is being told to directional kick
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:29 PM

do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 11:04 AM)
do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.


brien is getting cut for missing so mane FGs so not yet.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:07 PM

even so forget brien. but i will never be for taking nugent with that pick. even if he does good. and he hasn't even done that. i dont' know how you can defend him and say he's the truth.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:22 PM

wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 02:57 PM)
wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.

I would say that I want Doug Brien back, but it's not like he's doing any better.
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