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Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
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azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
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Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
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ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
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ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
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ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
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ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
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ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
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Why Do You Guys Love Vilma So Much?

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 04:18 PM

Why do you guys love Vilma so much? OK he had a lot of tackles in his rookie year but he is in no way a dominant LB. Can you honestly recall any bone jarring tackles or outstanding plays that he has made? He will make a tackle each and every time he gets his hands on someone, but that's when he isn't taken out of the play by the O Line. I'm not just talking about this year, I'm talking about since day one. Do you guys really think he's in the class of Zach Thomas or Ray Lewis?
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 23 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do you guys love Vilma so much? OK he had a lot of tackles in his rookie year but he is in know way a dominant LB. Can you honestly recall any bone jarring tackles or outstanding plays that he has made? He will make a tackle each and every time he gets his hands on someone, but that's when he isn't taken out of the play by the O Line. I'm not just talking about this year, I'm talking about since day one. Do you guys really think he's in the class of Zach Thomas or Ray Lewis?


What the hell do you mean YOU GUYS? What kind of guys are you talking about Ron?


Seriously though, I used to like Vilma a lot more but it's seeming to be evident that he's not a fit in the 3-4. However, it was his only year in the system and with an offseason of experience in it and learning it then who knows what could happen. Honestly, I wouldn't really have a problem with him staying or going. If he stays, then the Jets must think he can produce, but if he goes, and like Ron says trade him for a #1, I wouldn't be against that either. Two #1's and Two #2's...I'd be with that.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 04:29 PM

The play I remember was him intercepting a pass from the Rams and bringing it for a TD.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 23 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do you guys love Vilma so much?


Because he's a badass. It's not his fault Mangini switched to a defense that "supposedly" doesn't suit him. Really, he's got the skills and the talent. We've cited many other ILB's that are the same size and have been successful. Really the problem lies on the Jets DLine. They are midgets up there. Once we get a decent DLine going and Vilma has another year to get acclimated we'll be singing some praises again.

You don't trade Vilma though. He's too good.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 05:50 PM

I agree with Jets0n.

Let's give him a Vince Wolfork type of N.T first. We are the only 3-4 team in the league that doesn't have a 3-4 dline. Give Vilma some time. You don't piss and sh!t on a guy that's been going through a system change and doesn't have the proper components to run the newly acclimated system.

I posted a quote from Bruschi on here not too long ago. I went something like this (mind you Bruschi is same size as Vilma)

Bruschi was asked what a player like Vince Wilfork is to him and this defense his response was. " I cannot put it into words"

Give Vilma a Chance. At the end of the day you'll be happy we kept him. Donnie Edwards is the same size as Vilma and he's all world. WHY?.... because he has Jamal Williams at N.T.

I think I've made my point.

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 06:55 PM

I used to like him .. 'til he missed brady in that wild card game

now .. he's dead to me

j/k .. I still like the guy and as has been said if we can get somebody up front who can take up some of the offensive line and free Vilma up to make plays he will be a dominant player again

I give him a lot of credit for toughing it out this season and not bitching about the switch to 3-4 or using it as an excuse

now if he would on learn to tackle his buddy from 'the U'!!!
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 23 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do you guys love Vilma so much? OK he had a lot of tackles in his rookie year but he is in know way a dominant LB. Can you honestly recall any bone jarring tackles or outstanding plays that he has made? He will make a tackle each and every time he gets his hands on someone, but that's when he isn't taken out of the play by the O Line.


I don't care if a guy makes bone-jarring tackles. If a guy makes a bone jarring tackle that probably means he missed 5 tackles before that. I'll take the guy who wraps up and makes the sure tackle as opposed to lunging aimlessly hoping to make it on Sports Center.

And yes he will be in on every single play if he isn't taken out by the opposing offensive line...that same offensive line that runs right through our defensive line. That is our problem...an old and undersized defensive...we need size, strength, and youth on that line. That will take a ton of pressure off of Vilma.

Lastly, Vilma's worth can't be measured in tackles and sacks...his worth is in his head. His worth is in the calls he makes at the line of scrimmage. His worth is the adjustment's he makes to his teamates. His worth is in his relentless work ethic and preparation, which has spread to Kerry Rhodes, I must say I'm happy that happened. His worth is in his leadership and command of the entire defense.


PS - S Dubb said it all best...two guys with similiar if not smaller sizes than Vilma have the two best 3-4 defensive lines in the game...get Vilma that...and he'll be what you want him to be!
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:00 PM

what was ray lewis without a big NT?

nothing
then the ravens went out and got one in the draft
now we must do the same





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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 23 2007, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't care if a guy makes bone-jarring tackles. If a guy makes a bone jarring tackle that probably means he missed 5 tackles before that. I'll take the guy who wraps up and makes the sure tackle as opposed to lunging aimlessly hoping to make it on Sports Center.

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in fact its better they dont, a big hit doesnt mean ur really a playmaker. and plus like madden says on well madden:

"too many guys r going for the big hit and trying to end up on the highlight reels and missing big, when all they had to do was wrap up the guy" (or some shit like that, either way my point is taken)

i also aggree about how u cant want him out in a new system with not to mention a line thats not hleping him much
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:22 PM

Idk if you guys noticed or not, but the last 3 weeks, besides when Vilma tried to get a strip instead of going for the easy sack, Vilma played alot better. He was making alot of tackles, and was making really good plays. Its started against the Dolphins on Monday night, he played a nasty game. I think that alot of the issues here is that he wasnt comfortable with the system, lets see him next year. He is a player that should be a Jet for life, like one Dolphin fan said, hes the most talented LB we will get our hands on in a long time.
Also, its the energy he brings to the defense, he is running around a getting players pumped, when ever a player on the defense makes a play, Vilma is always the first to jump on him and get excited. Hes a guy that you can tell truely enjoys this game. Its not about the money, or probowls to him, its about winning and having fun. He is a rare player, if we ever got rid of him I will be deeply sad. He is my favorite player on the Jets right now, with Kerry Rhodes at #2. I was lucky enough to get his autograph during his rookie season. How can you not love this guy? Hes everything that you would want to build a defense around. Plus, we got our hard hitting LBs, with Barton and Hobson. Man that hit on Brady was so nice by Hobson.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:32 PM

No offense Ronny, that's actually a stupid question.
In 2004, as our defense is going with a new defensive coordinator and personnel, Vilma, as a rookie, steps up, makes like 108 tackles, gets 3 INTs, outplays the starter in front of him, and records an astonishing 30 tackles in only 2 playoff games. The press loves him too, giving him DROY.
Next year, as our team goes in shambles, here's Vilma, the shining star in the black night. Leads the NFL in tackles, records 4 forced fumbles, and even gets to play in the Pro Bowl.
This year, yeah, he did struggle, but it was a totally new defense and I was expecting some struggles from him. He still had a solid year tackle wise. Plus, for the past 2 years, I wanna say he's played every single defensive snap.
But no one really cares about bone jarring hits, unless it's someone we REALLY hate like Brady. Plus Vilma is a good person off the field, and even has a commercial for being a community leader (which he is), and is very interactive with the fans. How isn't he gonna be a fan favorite???
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:42 PM

I agree with the previous posts that mentioned external factors such as a big nose tackle and extra time to get acclamated to the 3-4. Jonathan Vilma is the leader of this defense, Hands Down!!!
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 23 2007, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No offense Ronny, that's actually a stupid question.
In 2004, as our defense is going with a new defensive coordinator and personnel, Vilma, as a rookie, steps up, makes like 108 tackles, gets 3 INTs, outplays the starter in front of him, and records an astonishing 30 tackles in only 2 playoff games. The press loves him too, giving him DROY.
Next year, as our team goes in shambles, here's Vilma, the shining star in the black night. Leads the NFL in tackles, records 4 forced fumbles, and even gets to play in the Pro Bowl.
This year, yeah, he did struggle, but it was a totally new defense and I was expecting some struggles from him. He still had a solid year tackle wise. Plus, for the past 2 years, I wanna say he's played every single defensive snap.
But no one really cares about bone jarring hits, unless it's someone we REALLY hate like Brady. Plus Vilma is a good person off the field, and even has a commercial for being a community leader (which he is), and is very interactive with the fans. How isn't he gonna be a fan favorite???



Good post!
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:07 PM

Maybe I'm alone here, but I just don't see it. OK OK Vilma does a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that doesn't show up right away like calling the defense, but I want a bad-ass that will go out and dominate. One that will make those huge hits, big plays, sacks, fumbles you know the kind that he just doesn't make. And don;t give me the learning a new system shit, he did the same in the 4-3. He just is not in the class of a Thomas or Urlacher and that's what I want.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:08 PM

Hey may not be in that class yet, but he will be.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 23 2007, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm alone here, but I just don't see it. OK OK Vilma does a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that doesn't show up right away like calling the defense, but I want a bad-ass that will go out and dominate. One that will make those huge hits, big plays, sacks, fumbles you know the kind that he just doesn't make. And don;t give me the learning a new system shit, he did the same in the 4-3. He just is not in the class of a Thomas or Urlacher and that's what I want.


Well it doesn't mean we can't get a hard nose "O"lb. Donnie Edwards has Merriman. We don't need to get rid Vilma to get someone.

Do we forget that theres 2 MLB's in a 3-4 preferably 2 ILB's? Donnie Edwards has never been a sack machine or an intimitator. He's a good on the run and a good coverage LB. Same with Vilma. Whereas B. Thomas is noted strictly for his pass rushing prowess and run support. It's good to have a mixture of different types of LB's so you can be more liberated with the playbook.

Ron I could see what you were saying if Vilma was a hinderance to the defense. The reason why the odd Jet fan wants to cut him is because he's not pulling off 200 tkls a year. Vilma on a bad year is still better then most teams best LB.

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 23 2007, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I'm alone here, but I just don't see it. OK OK Vilma does a lot of the behind the scenes stuff that doesn't show up right away like calling the defense, but I want a bad-ass that will go out and dominate. One that will make those huge hits, big plays, sacks, fumbles you know the kind that he just doesn't make. And don;t give me the learning a new system shit, he did the same in the 4-3. He just is not in the class of a Thomas or Urlacher and that's what I want.


Yeah...I'll pass on that. Save that shit for Madden. Mangini and company will take the smart players who make the sure tackles any day...

Maybe you can call up McGraw...I'm sure he's free...
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 23 2007, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah...I'll pass on that. Save that shit for Madden. Mangini and company will take the smart players who make the sure tackles any day...

Maybe you can call up McGraw...I'm sure he's free...

Exactly, to me, it ain't about the Sportscenter top 10 guys, it's about guys that day in and day out work hard, whether the whole world knows it or doesn't. I'll take Pennington over Michael Vick anyday of the week.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 09:15 PM

big hits don't make a good linebacker, making plays makes a good linebacker. when you have a guy that accumulates a lot of tackles, that is only a good thing. it's not some stat that can be over rated. if you're making a tackle, that means that you got to the offensive player and stopped them for less yards than if someone else on the defense were to get to him after you.

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 10:07 PM

http://www.nfl.com/t...depthcharts/NYJ
http://www.nfl.com/t.../depthcharts/NE
http://www.nfl.com/t...depthcharts/DAL
http://www.nfl.com/t...depthcharts/BAL

vilma's numbers are right up there with the best.
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