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ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (Yesterday, 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:58 AM) ^^^ agreed
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Do You Think Leon Washington?

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 11:20 AM

Can be a featured back? Do you guys think he can be? I personaly dont know really yet, I have a good feeling about him, but not so sure yet. I think that if we revamp our offensive line more, then he can be a great RB. I think that he could easily have a 1,200 yard season if we give him the rock. Will see what happens...
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

i think he can, he should had gotten more carries IMO
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

I think he is a role player and will be an excellent change of pace back and reciever out of the backfield...all you have to do is get him in space...as he is one of the best in the league with room to run.

But I could be wrong...I don't think he'll ever be a true feature back...but he may be able to handle most of the load with a big back to supplant him every once in a while.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:26 PM

Yes. Brian Westbrook is a featured back and a fantasy gem. Why can't Leon be the same? I actually think Leon is better in space than Westbrook is. None the less, he still needs a thumper to go out there and help him physically wear down a defense, so.... traditional featured back..... no. He's not a Portis or LT by any stretch. I think we should use him our Atlanta uses Warrick Dunn.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:32 PM

We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:08 PM

yes at first i doubted him but after watching him i feel he can be a mix between westbrook and tiki barber.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:11 PM

I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 28 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???



i dont think houston can stay healthy enough we need to draft a guys to split the carries with washington
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.



I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:41 PM

Good point. I agree.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.

yes but we also r looking for a RB(some of us anyways) because we dont know how good he is i think(well i believe that is some ppl's mind set), however i believe he just needs more carries to prove himself. i dont think he will get the amount of carries that could show he could be a franchise RB this year either though if we keep barlow or draft a RB because then it seems like we would be looking to do a "RB by committee" thing. and if we dont think he can be a franchise RB, i think we should at least have him split carries with the ppl we get or the ppl we have, but if we do it with the ppl we have, we should have him get the majority of the carries unlike last year. however depending on who we get if any1 in FA or the draft, it would determine who gets the majority of the carries. if we were to get some1 like michael turner, i think he should be the one not getting the majority of the carries until proven otherwise but i think at least for the first year or couple years we should if we draft a RB leon should get the majority, because even though hes only ahead of them by 1 year, i think he should still get the majority of the carries unless proven otherwise by a RB we were to draft
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:46 PM

Off the bat next season I dont think he can i think he still needs some more time in the NFL. Look at Westbrook and Barber they both needed time to develop into a feature back.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.

Good point! I like how the Cowboys use their RBs. They run Julius Jones in the 1st half, then in the 2nd use Marion Barber, who is a bit bigger and is more physical, and they just destroy them that way, with Barber nailing them in the 2nd half. W/e we do, Leon Washington needs the ball. Hes a gamechanger! He has excellent vision, and patience. He is also pretty decent up the middle, since he does have that vision, and is small so teams dont see him and he runs up the gut and then always seems to stumble for some yards instead of just getting nailed. He has very strong legs, and obivously very fast and quick. I for one want to see him get the load this year before we decide on getting another back. I rather go after Brian Leonard, who can be our Mike Alstott, and be our FB/RB, he can be the short yardage guy and goal line guy, along with 3rd downs, since he is great at Pass blocking and has great hands. I am wishing everyday that our backfield next year is Washington and Leonard.. Please let it happen.........
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

Yes he can be. all that needs to be said.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:02 PM

we'll find out if we don't get turner of lynch
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.


That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.

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