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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Why Cutler Struggled In Denver Why cutler will win in NY

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:35 AM

Who could win with that defense?

Clark Judge, my collegue at CBS Sports.com, has a nice column about why he feels Jake Plummer was more valuable to the Denver Broncos than is Jay Cutler.He points out the won-loss records of the two quarterbacks. Plummer was 40-18 as a starter, while Cutler is 17-20.

But underneath Cutler's record lies a serious problem that nobody on offense could overcome, including the great John Elway. The past two seasons the Broncos have stunk on defense. Big time.

Combining the 2007 and 2008 seasons, only two teams have allowed more points than the Broncos. Denver gave up a combined 857 points in 2007 and 2008. The St. Louis Rams (903) and Detroit Lions (961) are the only teams worse. Those two have a two-year combined record of 12-52, while the Broncos were 15-17. That's because of Cutler.

Those defensive numbers are indicative of a team that should have won four games each of the past two seasons. Instead, the Broncos won seven and eight. Thank Cutler.

Jake Plummer played at Arizona State, so I will always have respect for him since that's my alma mater, but give me Cutler any day.

One more thing about the Cutler story. He's getting killed for being a big baby. And I do think he's overreacted to the news that he might be traded.

But I warn Denver fans that he doesn't come close to the biggest baby move in Denver quarterback history. Need I remind you that a certain Hall of Fame quarterback that led you to two Super Bowls told the Baltimore Colts where to stick it when they drafted him. He took his ball and his bat and glove and told the Cotls he was a baseball player and wouldn't play football.

Until they traded him to the Broncos. Baby move. Yet it happened in the era before the Internet, before talk radio. Elway's brazen move was far more of a cry-baby move than anything Cutler is doing.

Oops, I forgot. You can't bash Elway to Broncos fans. That's asking for an Orange Crush.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:44 AM

We have a better defense and offense. This is why we should trade for Cutler. I'm not saying give up the entire draft to get Cutler. But our 1st will go and and a 3rd. I'm all for it. To all who dislike Cutler, this article clears thing up. Been saying Cutler should be in green and white next year. Read it haters.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:45 AM

Cutler won't have to throw 50 times a game here. Thats why he would do better, he would be asked to throw maybe 30 times a game.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Mar 17 2009, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have a better defense and offense. This is why we should trade for Cutler. I'm not saying give up the entire draft to get Cutler. But our 1st will go and and a 3rd. I'm all for it. To all who dislike Cutler, this article clears thing up. Been saying Cutler should be in green and white next year. Read it haters.


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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:05 PM

Exactly, people are blaming Cutler for not having been to the playoffs in any of his first three seasons, but he was playing with one of the league's worst defenses each year. Do whatever it takes to get him I say.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:22 PM

I don't think anyone was actually bashing JC, just don't want to give up the world for an above average QB, yes he made the pro bowl yes he's good but not for all those picks. I'd say 2nd and 3rd or 3rd and a conditional 2010 pick but we're not building this team around him with this year 1st rd pick. I trust tanny to do the right thing and get him w/o feeling any pain.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Mar 17 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have a better defense and offense. This is why we should trade for Cutler. I'm not saying give up the entire draft to get Cutler. But our 1st will go and and a 3rd. I'm all for it. To all who dislike Cutler, this article clears thing up. Been saying Cutler should be in green and white next year. Read it haters.


We do have a better running game, but in terms of receivers the Jets are inferior compared to the Broncos. Giving up all those picks will mean we will have less to use to upgrade at WR.
It would be great to have Cutler but I feel it will take too much to get him whilst the team has other important needs.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 02:06 PM

Leon coming out of the backfield to catch a pass makes up for it. So we're not inferior as you put it catching the ball.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:23 PM

He will be a winner in NY, he was successful with the Broncos, but the Broncos had a piss poor D backing him, so he was asked to air it out a bunch of times. Rex Ryan already made some improvements in the Jets Defense, if we get Jay Cutler, the Jets will give the Patriots and Dolphins a bigger run for their money, IMO. Just don't trade your entire draft for him, please.

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Mar 17 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who could win with that defense?

Clark Judge, my collegue at CBS Sports.com, has a nice column about why he feels Jake Plummer was more valuable to the Denver Broncos than is Jay Cutler.He points out the won-loss records of the two quarterbacks. Plummer was 40-18 as a starter, while Cutler is 17-20.

But underneath Cutler's record lies a serious problem that nobody on offense could overcome, including the great John Elway. The past two seasons the Broncos have stunk on defense. Big time.

Combining the 2007 and 2008 seasons, only two teams have allowed more points than the Broncos. Denver gave up a combined 857 points in 2007 and 2008. The St. Louis Rams (903) and Detroit Lions (961) are the only teams worse. Those two have a two-year combined record of 12-52, while the Broncos were 15-17. That's because of Cutler.

Those defensive numbers are indicative of a team that should have won four games each of the past two seasons. Instead, the Broncos won seven and eight. Thank Cutler.

Jake Plummer played at Arizona State, so I will always have respect for him since that's my alma mater, but give me Cutler any day.

One more thing about the Cutler story. He's getting killed for being a big baby. And I do think he's overreacted to the news that he might be traded.

But I warn Denver fans that he doesn't come close to the biggest baby move in Denver quarterback history. Need I remind you that a certain Hall of Fame quarterback that led you to two Super Bowls told the Baltimore Colts where to stick it when they drafted him. He took his ball and his bat and glove and told the Cotls he was a baseball player and wouldn't play football.

Until they traded him to the Broncos. Baby move. Yet it happened in the era before the Internet, before talk radio. Elway's brazen move was far more of a cry-baby move than anything Cutler is doing.

Oops, I forgot. You can't bash Elway to Broncos fans. That's asking for an Orange Crush.


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