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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:26 PM) i'd be happy if he kicks the shit out of miami and NE every year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:41 PM) I believe the rivers stuff is all speculation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:39 PM) So Many smokescreens this time of year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:09 PM) my money is we'll take a pass rushing OLB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 PM) Yup, unless they trade up.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:57 PM

You are right where I thought you would be. The point is that no ne knows. Some news organizations will post the number at 100,000. Now think about that for a second. 100,000 is the entire city of Albany NY! Now if the entire city of Albany had suddenly died for whatever reason don't you think someone would notice? As I understand it 100,000 dead bodies in mass graves can been seen from space! The actual number is somewhere around 30,000. Not a small number either but it's 70% smaller then 100,000.

Ok so why did I ask this? Simple, statistics are easily and often misquoted and you shouldn't believe everything you hear. If something can be 300% percent incorrect and not many will question it then something is seriously wrong. I have said before and I'm saying again now I don't trust the news and in general statistics of any kind until I can verify them. The number I used was from the head of Coroner affairs in Iraq. I would say that's a reliable source. I'm curious to see how many people actually believe the 100,000 number and where they got it from. Not all numbers are that skewed, however, because I've heard 50,000 and even the correct 30,000. I'm not making a big deal about this, but I am thinking of doing a small project on this topic so I guess I couldn't resist asking the question.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 08:43 PM

Patrick Satan is a good hockey player....but I doubt he should be president....man, the NHL is desperate... laugh.gif
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 12:20 PM

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Good comic relief..lol
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 01:13 PM

Well, HermimHero, if that is the number you want to believe then we'll agree to disagree on that too. I don't know how you cluster bomb a city like Bahgdad (with a population of millions) for days and then claim only 30,000 people died. Nevermind how much longer the fighting has been going on.

I think 30,000 is a pretty low PR style number and is probably about a half of what the reality is.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:28 PM

bombs over bagdad?

HiMH; I would hate to speculate on the # of Iraqi casualties, but I will say that more are killed by IED's from the insurgency over there. I will also say that military planning and technology has kept the number down. The other issue is that most of the insurgents that are dying for virgins are from other contries and have moved to Iraq to wage the jihad agains the westerers (mainly us)...

Do we need to start this as a seperate topic?
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:29 PM

BTW cluster bombs would destroy mostly everything.....you would be better off counting survivors......lol
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:00 PM

I didn't mean actual Cluster Bombs, more like a cluster of bombs (or a group of bombs, somethign like that) (I figured I should have put it a differnt way).

But my point was just that we were launching missles into a major metropolitan area (population over 5 million) and to me, even though we have much better targeting systems (and etc), I can't believe that even after all this time the total isn't higher than 30,000.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

Who I qutoed is much more reliable then the New York Times or Time Magazine. That's my point. some statistics are hilariously wrong and can easily be manipulated. 30,000 is a far better estimate then 100,000. Just wanted to clear up a misconception.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:37 PM

yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 01:26 AM

QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 18 2005, 09:12 PM)
yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....


My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ Apr 19 2005, 01:01 AM)
My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.


I think both 100,000 and 30,000 sound out of proportions. But I look at the larger cities I've been in, and I could find very few area where you could pin point drop a bomb and not kill anyone or at least a very few. Bhagdad is a major city, and when missles area launched into it I have to imagine it killing a large number of people.

And then there has been a running small scale war running for so long now, with accedntal and intentional deaths, I just can't believe the number is so low as 30,000. But yeah, 100,000 seems like too much.

Apparently, the 30,000 comes from a US source and the 100,000 comes from an Iraqi source. Either side has a vestiage interest in making the numbers suit their goals, and so I have to believe the actual number falls in the middle.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:52 AM

Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 19 2005, 12:27 PM)
Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....


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Posted 21 April 2005 - 12:14 AM

This link is interesting... Good info on how they gather their stats and who is involved (mostly anti-war people). The stats they give are strictly civilian deaths caused by the US and its allies.

Iraq Body Count Project
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 04:13 PM

Wow that was interesting. But if it is only 18,000 at most and only civilians then it's very feasible that my number of 30,000 total is correct. BTW me saying only is relative, I'm not making light of the numbers.
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

Aren't we suppose to talk about Satin and stuff like that, not what happened in Iraq? We have that one War in Iraq topic the might be of more use. Speaking of Iraq, this was horrible, check out way THERE! blowup.gif
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