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MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:57 AM) GET RIVERS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:59 AM) It's going to cost us 6 because we are going to have to outbid a bunch of teams
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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The Official STFU About the Pats Thread! ... And Brady vs Manning

#61 User is offline   ozjet51 Icon

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Mar 15 2007, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, but there is something that the stats and things don't show. And that is how Brady is clutch and brings his teams from behind so many times in last minute drives to win. and Peyton has yet to do that.


only thing really is brady has done it in the superbowl, when factors out of their control have swung their way (kasay kicking out of bounds etc). And peyton manning has never led his team from behind?? A you nuts? remember the tampa game a few years ago?? remember the AFC conference game a couple of months ago??? remember the jets game last year?? Peyton is a freak on the field and brady is only comparable cos his team, not brady have won more superbowls, the fact is noone compares to peyton

scores at halftime: golden boy brady: 21
peyton: 6
scores at 1.40 left: golden boy brady: 34
peyton:31

peyton is just as,if not, he is more deadly with the ball left with under two minutes as brady.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (ozjet51 @ Mar 14 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
only thing really is brady has done it in the superbowl, when factors out of their control have swung their way (kasay kicking out of bounds etc). And peyton manning has never led his team from behind?? A you nuts? remember the tampa game a few years ago?? remember the AFC conference game a couple of months ago??? remember the jets game last year?? Peyton is a freak on the field and brady is only comparable cos his team, not brady have won more superbowls, the fact is noone compares to peyton

scores at halftime: golden boy brady: 21
peyton: 6
scores at 1.40 left: golden boy brady: 34
peyton:31

peyton is just as,if not, he is more deadly with the ball left with under two minutes as brady.



I said in BIG GAMES. peyton has not been great in the playoffs. period. I never said he hasn't come from behind or made game winning drives. Brady has been great in the playoffs. period.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 07:48 PM

yeah but the argument is who is the better QB, you cant leave out regular season games all together
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (ozjet51 @ Mar 14 2007, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah but the argument is who is the better QB, you cant leave out regular season games all together



of course, but the post season is much more important than regular season games. And brady has been good in regular season games. Definitely not as good as manning by any means, but he's been very good still.

but when its clutch time in the playoffs, Brady has been really good, while peyton has not.

so when choosing a QB i'd take a person who will take me to the playoffs(not as dominate as peyton but he almost always gets there) and has been clutch there, then a QB who has been AMAZING int he preseason but unspectacular in post season.

do you kind of see why i say that?
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 11:32 PM

WRONG! Peyton Manning is clutch. He lead his team back from a certain defeat in the AFC Championship Game against your beloved Brady and he's also been responsible for one of the most amazing comebacks ever. Please stop arguing this triple3s.

You can't say that the AFC Championship game isn't an important game.
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 08:30 AM

Give me Brady any day of the week. Now I don't want it to seem like I think Peyton sucks, because I don't, he is obviously a great Qb. But I love how after two pretty good games in the playoffs many people now are all on his nuts. Just look at how awful he was even this year in the playoffs for the first two games. Against the Ravens it really looked like he had money on the game and was trying to lose it. All you guys who are in love with stats or are just happy to try and vault Manning over Brady be my guest, if I had to pick one guy to start an important game, I'd still take Brady hands down.
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Posted 15 March 2007 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Mar 15 2007, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WRONG! Peyton Manning is clutch. He lead his team back from a certain defeat in the AFC Championship Game against your beloved Brady and he's also been responsible for one of the most amazing comebacks ever. Please stop arguing this triple3s.

You can't say that the AFC Championship game isn't an important game.



1st off you said you were done. we agreed to disagree. I was answering the other persons stuff.

The AFC championship was a great comback. no one every said it was not an important game. I said that peyton has not been clutch in the playoffs. You are picking one game and looking at it. Throughout his career, he has not been good in the playoffs. Yes that was a good championship game, but that was really his only great game. and he even started out pretty bad in that game. I give him alot of credit for coming back in that game and getting them the win. And he played decent in the other games.

Brady has been good throughout his career in the playoffs, in many games. so that's how I can say he's clutch. If you continue to do it, then I can say you are clutch. But Manning has not continued to do that. In fact before this year he was not good in the playoffs. And this year he wasn't even dominate in the playoffs. he was decent.

If you look at both of there regular seasons, its no contest that Peyton is better. But if you look at the playoff history, Brady is much better. And you don't call someone clutch off of one game. and don't say he dominated throughout the playoffs this year, because we all know he didn't.
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