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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:06 PM

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We hear that comments by GM Mike Tannenbaum that the Jets believe DL Dewayne Robertson affords them flexibility with his ability to play tackle or end indicates that the team may consider moving Robertson, who's not as stout as the team would like for its nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme, to end in 2007.


Not that we all didn't know this...but it's good to see it in writing. I think D Rob will be an amazing DE in the 3-4...can't wait to see him get significant reps there.

But who is going to step in as the NT?

Is he on the roster? Sione Pouha?

Is he a draftee? Amobio Okoye? Louis Leonard?

Is he in the NFL? Terdell Sands?
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:11 PM

I would sign Hollis Thomas, he would be a instant starter and a good sign, he is a good NT. Hes a UFA this offseason.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:12 PM

im going to throw something out there a little wild, so brace yourself

two top canidates for the Steelers HC job are Mike Tomlin and Ron Riveria, both d coordinators for cover 2 defenses, so lets say if one of them gets the job they bring the cover 2 to Pittsburgh potentially making Casey Hampton available for trade. D-Rob was drafted to be a cover 2 penetrator, something that every cover 2 needs and one is not on Pitts roster, so try and trade D-Rob and probably a draft pick for Casey Hampton and everybody wins. Justing throwing it there.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:16 PM

Yea thats what Steeler fans say, that they want to trade him because they dont think he can play in the 4-3.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that we all didn't know this...but it's good to see it in writing. I think D Rob will be an amazing DE in the 3-4...can't wait to see him get significant reps there.

But who is going to step in as the NT?

Is he on the roster? Sione Pouha?

Is he a draftee? Amobio Okoye? Louis Leonard?

Is he in the NFL? Terdell Sands?

If we draft OKOYE or any other kid NT it will take a few years to develop him at the position. POUHA just might have to step up and do the job! but I see us signing a widebody NT as a FA! I also think OKOYE would be good for us too!
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that we all didn't know this...but it's good to see it in writing. I think D Rob will be an amazing DE in the 3-4...can't wait to see him get significant reps there.

But who is going to step in as the NT?

Is he on the roster? Sione Pouha?

Is he a draftee? Amobio Okoye? Louis Leonard?

Is he in the NFL? Terdell Sands?


I never really seen Terdell Sands play a lot, but I was at the Jets vs Raiders game, and when the Raiders came out of the tunnel Sands really stood out, he is enourmous! So if we are looking for a space eater this guy will def. fill up space.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (TheUltimate @ Jan 17 2007, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never really seen Terdell Sands play a lot, but I was at the Jets vs Raiders game, and when the Raiders came out of the tunnel Sands really stood out, he is enourmous! So if we are looking for a space eater this guy will def. fill up space.


Yeah...he's really the only potential NT I see that is going to be a free agent...
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea thats what Steeler fans say, that they want to trade him because they dont think he can play in the 4-3.



Thats crazy casey hampton is the best NT in the game along with Jamal Williams and he is still only 29. Dont get me wrong i would love him as a Jet but NT are utilized 4-3 defenses also. You cant have a successful undertackle like warren sapp or D-Rob without a huge space eater, this is a big reason for D-Rob's decline when fergeson left and sapp's decline when he left the Buccs and in a cover-2 where there isnt much blitzing that is very important. Also look at MacFarland who alot of people thought was really a true NT and failed at replacing Sapp but when he went to the Colts he immediately helped their run defense he started playing the NT role. But if the steeler do let him go i would love to have him and its also a good sign that this new regime is pretty dumb so thats a win win right there.
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This makes my mock draft look a little like what the jets will pick with their first rounder... lol
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 11:34 AM

I doubt the Steelers trade Hampton and if they do it will take an awful lot to acquire him. I'd rather keep the picks - remember we only have six - and not use them in trades for players.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:40 PM

half of my wild thought has come true, Mike Tomlin has been hired as Steelers coach. Now Lets see if he inserts the cover 2 there.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that we all didn't know this...but it's good to see it in writing. I think D Rob will be an amazing DE in the 3-4...can't wait to see him get significant reps there.

But who is going to step in as the NT?

Is he on the roster? Sione Pouha?

Is he a draftee? Amobio Okoye? Louis Leonard?

Is he in the NFL? Terdell Sands?



it looks to be the single BIGGEST question . if they can fill that spot with quality it would be huge.


pun intended crazy.gif seriously though .

btw , Hampton may not be a 3technique but that doesn't mean he doesn't play the other tackle spot in the 4-3 .
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:41 PM

I must be the only one on this board, that thinks D-Rob is a good NT. Our only problem is the other DE, and depth. We need a better backup NT. I wish we got Grady Jackson, he led d-linemen in tackles for loss this year. He would of been a great signing for us. You just dont move that guy. The thing with Robertson though, is he isnt a huge guy that wont be moved, but he is a guy that uses his hands and gets off the ball fast and pushs the linemen back. But thats why we need a good back up, because he gets tired then doesnt come off as fast and then can get pushed. I really think that DE is our biggest problem on the d-line, though I cant see Robertson being the answer. At 6-1 317 he is kinda packed in. He isnt a tall muscle kind of guy, he more of a packed in guy. I dont think that he can get past OTs because of their long arms. Robertson has short arms. I think a 3-4 DE must has long arms and be around 6-4 or taller. Because its not like he can just use speed to get passed them. He has to lock on to these guys and and keep them off the LBs while not getting pushed or anything. Also if a guy comes Robertson's way, I doubt Robertson has to speed to get off and run to the sideline to get him. I much rather go after a DE for the 3-4, like go after Cory Redding, or draft Carriker. I want Carriker the most though, since he is 6-6 296, he will weigh around 310 in the pros.

Look at these 3-4 DEs, and look at their heights..
Seymour-6-6
Ty Warren-6-5
Igor Olshansky -6-6
Luis Castillo -6-3
Marcus Spears-6-4
Chris Canty-6-7
Aaron Smith-6-5
Brett Keisel-6-5
Shaun Ellis-6-5
Only 1 starting DE for a 3-4 team is under 6-4. Most are above 6-5.
Kimo-6-4
Now look at NTs height.
Jamal Williams-6-1, 348
Casey Hampton-6-1,325
Jason Ferguson-6-3, 310
Robertson-6-1, 317
Wilfork-6-2, 325
Also Robertson needs to do is gain alittle more weight. He needs to get to 320 atleast, maybe get himself to 325.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I must be the only one on this board, that thinks D-Rob is a good NT. Our only problem is the other DE, and depth. We need a better backup NT. I wish we got Grady Jackson, he led d-linemen in tackles for loss this year. He would of been a great signing for us. You just dont move that guy. The thing with Robertson though, is he isnt a huge guy that wont be moved, but he is a guy that uses his hands and gets off the ball fast and pushs the linemen back. But thats why we need a good back up, because he gets tired then doesnt come off as fast and then can get pushed. I really think that DE is our biggest problem on the d-line, though I cant see Robertson being the answer. At 6-1 317 he is kinda packed in. He isnt a tall muscle kind of guy, he more of a packed in guy. I dont think that he can get past OTs because of their long arms. Robertson has short arms. I think a 3-4 DE must has long arms and be around 6-4 or taller. Because its not like he can just use speed to get passed them. He has to lock on to these guys and and keep them off the LBs while not getting pushed or anything. Also if a guy comes Robertson's way, I doubt Robertson has to speed to get off and run to the sideline to get him. I much rather go after a DE for the 3-4, like go after Cory Redding, or draft Carriker. I want Carriker the most though, since he is 6-6 296, he will weigh around 310 in the pros.

Look at these 3-4 DEs, and look at their heights..
Seymour-6-6
Ty Warren-6-5
Igor Olshansky -6-6
Luis Castillo -6-3
Marcus Spears-6-4
Chris Canty-6-7
Aaron Smith-6-5
Brett Keisel-6-5
Shaun Ellis-6-5
Only 1 starting DE for a 3-4 team is under 6-4. Most are above 6-5.
Kimo-6-4
Now look at NTs height.
Jamal Williams-6-1, 348
Casey Hampton-6-1,325
Jason Ferguson-6-3, 310
Robertson-6-1, 317
Wilfork-6-2, 325
Also Robertson needs to do is gain alittle more weight. He needs to get to 320 atleast, maybe get himself to 325.



yes...I know...he isn't the ideal height...but for the 18 millionth time...it has a lot more to do with style of play than size. IE - Space Eater vs. Pass Rusher. D Rob is a pass rushing DT...we need a space eating DT.

Besides it sounds to me like they want to move him around...maybe he'll be a DE on obvious rushing downs...and a NT on obvious passing downs...
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 21 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes...I know...he isn't the ideal height...but for the 18 millionth time...it has a lot more to do with style of play than size. IE - Space Eater vs. Pass Rusher. D Rob is a pass rushing DT...we need a space eating DT.

Besides it sounds to me like they want to move him around...maybe he'll be a DE on obvious rushing downs...and a NT on obvious passing downs...

Yea I know that, and thats why I think that Robertson is a good NT, because he did play really good at it the 2nd half of the year. Robertson had his best year of his career this year, and it was at NT. Im just saying that he will probaly gain some weight this off season to around 320-325.
They probaly will move Robertson around, thats what they did this year, but he mainly played NT. I think that for the most part, we need depth on the d-line, and a true starter for DE. Carriker in the 2nd round sounds good to me, also we need a better OLB, Hobson is not good. He is overrated by most people, just becaue his stats look good. I look at things like, how many TFL does he get, and how he sheds blockers and how many QB pressures he gets. I like Hobson, but I do think that he may be a better ILB then OLB. We need a faster OLB on that side, thats why Im on the Jarvis Moss Bandwagon. He would be perfect, at 6-6, 250, plus he is the fastest DE in the draft, so he would make a good OLB, he would be a great pickup for us in the first round, if hes there.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 12:57 PM

now that i think about it, CJ Mosley i think could fill the void for NT
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:03 PM

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now that i think about it, CJ Mosley i think could fill the void for NT

He may, but I really havent seen enough of him, only one game can I remember him playing in, the Vikings game, but he did do really good in that game. He did have a sack in it. crazy.gif
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE (DewayneDontSign @ Jan 20 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
half of my wild thought has come true, Mike Tomlin has been hired as Steelers coach. Now Lets see if he inserts the cover 2 there.


Not just yet. Some sources are reporting he is close/going to be hired whilst others report Grimm is the man to replace the Chin.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 21 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes...I know...he isn't the ideal height...but for the 18 millionth time...it has a lot more to do with style of play than size. IE - Space Eater vs. Pass Rusher. D Rob is a pass rushing DT...we need a space eating DT.

Besides it sounds to me like they want to move him around...maybe he'll be a DE on obvious rushing downs...and a NT on obvious passing downs...



yep . but he's not all wrong .

now get that big guy for the nose . then get a quality DE and have DRob , Shawn , your NT , AND A Quality DE to replace Oehlhofen , for the front of the D-Line rotatation .

ideally of course .
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Mehlfan @ Jan 21 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yep . but he's not all wrong .

now get that big guy for the nose . then get a quality DE and have DRob , Shawn , your NT , AND A Quality DE to replace Oehlhofen , for the front of the D-Line rotatation .

ideally of course .


Yeah...of course...get the big guy for NT...but who?

There aren't exactly abundant options at the moment...in fact there are next to no options...I wonder what Tangini is going to do about the NT spot...
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