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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 12:43 PM) Gg03 would be a terrif
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:43 PM) what is the "initiation"
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:47 PM) :zz:
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:53 PM) and no I will not say that Idzik needs to be canned cause he doesn't
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:54 PM) he just needs to find talent at the CB and WR positions while also improving in positions that are currently our strengths like DL and OL
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 01:30 PM) Fire idzik!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 01:45 PM) Best part of last night was Wayne Chrebet going onto the Ring of Honor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) u think our oline is a strength? did u not see geno getting killed out there?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) LG is a shit position, colon is old and nto much left in the tank, brick and mangold are in decline, and brent is a below average RT at best
santana Icon : (Today, 04:26 PM) initiation is you have to high 5.... 5 pats fans in the span of a week
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 04:43 PM) i wonder how ronny is doing as a fins fan lol.
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) I think he got sick of being an nfl fan all together
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) but thats just speculation
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) I know its starting to make me sick
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) bad refs excessive commercials
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) shitty services available to stream it
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) loads of penalties
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) annoying replay system
santana Icon : (Today, 04:57 PM) ambiguous rules where the ref has to fucking explain everything to you
santana Icon : (Today, 04:58 PM) oh and the constant violence out side of the game. domestic abuse. murders. dui cases. gun charges. young players wanting to smoke weed with less repercussion. veteran players wanting less hgh testing to stay healthy and in the league
santana Icon : (Today, 04:59 PM) BUY BUD LIGHT GUYS AND A TACOMA NATIONWIDE IS ON YOUR SIDE PAPAJOHNS DISCOUNT DOUBLE fuck you you will buy it!
santana Icon : (Today, 04:59 PM) end rant
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 05:08 PM) lol NFL is a big money business, sometimes to run something that big, your gonna have some a-holes involved. any big company is like that
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 05:10 PM) i might not wanna read this then http://nyjetsfan.com...showtopic=38459
santana Icon : (Today, 05:11 PM) yeah heard about it
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:47 PM) Ellis Lankster has been cut by the JETS
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) Phillip Adams should of been cut not Lankster
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) IMO
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) especially since Adams got fooled on that TD last night
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 06:02 PM) and still I'm not a mod WTF?!?!?!?!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:09 PM) didn't pass initiation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:51 PM) really? They cut Lankster? Phillip Adams doesn't belong on a NFL roster, that guy is just terrible. At least Lankster is a ST stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:52 PM) why not sign a Champ Bailey or Asante Samuel, at least those guys know how to play. Phillip Adams just embarrassed himself on that one TD play, like that is cut worthy.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:53 PM) Idk if it's Idzik or the order is from Woody, but the Jets are too f***ing cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 07:14 PM) If we can get Milber healthy and playing, we would be in better shape. He would be our #1 CB and then we have more depth. I don't think Allen and Walls are that bad.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 07:21 PM) I believe they are trying to roll cap space into next year.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 07:21 PM) Meanwhile back in hazard county....
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 07:34 PM) f*** initiation just make it fuckin happen
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 07:34 PM) :ranting3:
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 07:48 PM) Gg03 wants to be overpaid
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 07:52 PM) Greedy little street thug!
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 08:20 PM) yeah cause getting 0 is going to help me join a country club
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 08:21 PM) I just want the title of moderator
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 08:21 PM) make it happen
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 08:21 PM) NOW!!!! I've waited 10 freakin years
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 6 2005, 04:46 PM)
Wow once again u make no sense. Vinny has an arm and can bomb it all day. does that mean that u let him? NO! of course it makes sense. Look lets say westhoff says kick it. lets say nugent kicks it 1 yard deep in the end zone. The guy is gonna run it out and will have all types of room to do it. if he dierectional kicks it to th 5 yard line he’ll gaet tackled earlier so it more then makes up for the yardage. Westhoff is either an idiot or doesn’t have confidence in his unit to cover the whole field. If u watch nugents video in collge he kicks them through the endzone. Its only a 5 yard difference in the NFL I believe so he can kick it 5 yards deep. Remember the out of bounds kicks? Its cause he was trying to directional kick it EVEN WESTHHOFF SAID SO!

wow. once again you make NO sense. I said TOUCHBACKS. I said obviously Nugent doesn't have the leg for TOUCHBACKS. NOT 1 yard deep kicks in the endzone. TOUCHBACKS. so that means that there is no return. just in case you didn't know that. if he's kicking them through the endzone in college then he should be getting touchbacks. like i said he doesn't have the leg. because if he could kick TOUCHBACKS then westhoff would let him. remember TOUCHBACKS. and that is why westhoff has made him directional kick.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:16 AM

Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 7 2005, 10:51 AM)
Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.


hello. you think if he could kick it 5 yards deep or even 2 yards deep taht westhoff would make him directional kick??? listen our special teams hasn't even been good when it comes to kick offs so why continue to directional kick. why not make him kick in the endzone. and lets be for real. NOBODY IN THE NFL RETURNS A KICK THATS 8 yards deep. almost all of those result in touchbacks. you arent' realistic. just realize that nugent doesn't have the leg. if he did we wouldn't directional kick. if he was putting it in the endzone we wouldn't directional kick. its that simple.

you make no sense
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 01:25 PM

Actually they do. Hall returns everyone he gets his hands on. Didn’t he have lke a 108 yards TD return or something. I’m not saying they all do but the better ones do. Plus u can’t guarantee he’ll do it everytime. He might kick one to the 5 and the next one 5 yards deep. Its not madden u know. if it goes 5 yards deep a lot of returners will take it out. westhoff like the directional kick cause it leaves less lanes for the KR to go through. Its like saying graham sucks for kincking it 30 yards and them getting it at the 10 rather then booming it through the end zone. Its called strategy. Obviously u have a problem with either nugernt or TB or drafting a kicker or maybe your doug brien. U haven’t made any points yet except to say if u can kick deep do it every time. I bet you want vinny to throw a bomb every other play too? it might be fun to watch but it doesn’t win games.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:13 PM

how do i have on green glasses if i'm bashing our special teams coach? lay off the pipe please. you make no sense whatsoever
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:06 PM

you make no sense. that green hash you smoke has got you in purple heaven. to think that a coach would directional kick for a guy that kicks kickoffs 8 yards into the endzone. who's smoking??? you are.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:24 PM

Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20. If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out. He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback. That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line. Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (a1elbow @ Oct 7 2005, 11:59 PM)
Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20.  If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out.  He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback.  That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line.  Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback

Well said.

Anyone that attacks Nugent is in need of a reality check. This kid is the real deal.

We'd love to have him.

Grammatica was awesome until the 2003 season... then he was a cancer. Nugent will be just as accurate. Get a stronger ST unit that tackles better. Grammatica hardly kicked Touchbacks as well... but he was nails on the FGs.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:04 AM

the thing is people have consistently gotten it past the 20 on our directional kicks. so you tell me if it's better to kick it long or not
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:12 AM

oh one more thing. anyone who questions nugent is being realistic. what has he done since he's been here?: kicked the ball out of bounds and slipped on a field goal. and otherwise he's made normal 30 or so yard field goals. it's not even about questioning nugent. it's about questioning the jets decision to take him with their first pick in the draft when basically we have other needs.

I mean brien wouldn't didn't kick out of bounds all year last year and didn't miss a kick under 40 yards so thats why it's justified to question that decision.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:16 AM

look if u want yo hate nugent fine then do it but don't use your hate for him to try and twist facts
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:15 AM

what did I twist?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:23 PM

the fact that he is being told to directional kick
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:29 PM

do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 11:04 AM)
do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.


brien is getting cut for missing so mane FGs so not yet.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:07 PM

even so forget brien. but i will never be for taking nugent with that pick. even if he does good. and he hasn't even done that. i dont' know how you can defend him and say he's the truth.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:22 PM

wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 02:57 PM)
wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.

I would say that I want Doug Brien back, but it's not like he's doing any better.
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