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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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2 Round Nfldraftcountdown Mock Updated 1/18/07

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:14 PM

They have us taking:

DE/OLB Jarvis Moss
RB Kenny Irons
DE Ikiala Alama-Francis

http://www.nfldraftc.../mockdraft.html
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:22 PM

I kind of like that one...minus the Kenny Irons pick. That guy is a bum in my opinion!

Hell...I'd rather see Brian Leonard...or even Michael Bush that Kenny Irons!!!

Only problem is the reports of the Jets moving D Rob to DE...meaning we probably wouldn't take on that early. But I wouldn't rule it out either...

Moss would really improve our linebacking corps...because as many of us speculate...Hobson could move inside...those 4 would be a strength of the defense.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:27 PM

I'd like Moss there, and if the draft plays out like that then I'd like Spencer or Woodley where he has us taking Irons. Even though Francis from Hawaii is a nice big body to place at DE. And then maybe a RB with our 3rd pick. I'm nice crazy about Irons, but if he runs well in his workouts I could see him and Leon being a nice combo.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:36 PM

i like our picks especially moss that guy killed troy smith with the exception of kenny irons......the guy reminds me of Darius "Frank" walker...he's the next coming of kevin faulk.....but besides that i dont like this mock draft all that much....they got brady quinn going third to the brown but he'll probably go 10-15 the way leinart slipped before the draft last year.....and wow they have us taking irons over bush thats crazy
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:47 PM

I'd rather see our first picks looking like this in the second round, with Moss being our first:

2nd round A: Michael Bush
2nd round B: Brian Leonard

Brian Leonard I think would be great for Pennington. Leonard is the type of fullback that catches balls on short passes, and as we all know, thats what Chad does. Bush would help out our running game, and we could then drop Barlow, and have the likes of Washington, and Houston. I think also, if we do draft Jarvis Moss, our front 7 would look like:

DE Robertson
NT Sands (oakland)
DE Ellis

OLB Thomas
ILB Vilma
ILB Barton/Hobson
OLB Moss

I think we should trade Barton because he's older than Vilma, and he's still I believe in his prime. If we could get one of the big two corners in free agency (Samuel/Clements). We'd be good there. Then all we would need to fix probably is our Right Tackle position.

Our needs basically this offseason are:

RB
NT
DE
FB
OLB
CB

With the money we have we can fix all those position this offseason.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 18 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i like our picks especially moss that guy killed troy smith with the exception of kenny irons......the guy reminds me of Darius "Frank" walker...he's the next coming of kevin faulk.....but besides that i dont like this mock draft all that much....they got brady quinn going third to the brown but he'll probably go 10-15 the way leinart slipped before the draft last year.....and wow they have us taking irons over bush thats crazy


I'd be surprised if Quinn fell past Detroit at 2, let alone the Browns at 3. I'd be shocked if he fell like Lienhart did last year. I hope everyone learned how dumb it was to pass on Lienhart. I can bet the Raiders are kicking themselves. So I really don't think Quinn falls very far, hell he still has a great shot at going number 1.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:04 PM

I agree. Bush is a hoss. He finds the endzone and he's a big boy with some decent speed. I don't think the Jets pick another undersized back. They want a big bodied guy IMO to compliment Washington. No way do they pick Irons over Bush.

And I agree about Leonard. He'd be a good addition to the Offense. I'm not sold on Askew as a "blocking" fullback. I'm not sure how good Leonard is at that either so if he isn't a LB punisher then I don't want him because where would we use him? We need to amp up the running game and get more physical/violent in the process. Drafting Bush and a hard ass FB should take care of that issue. I'd rather see the Jets run game be punishing than anything else. Punishment through the run game is what won the Steelers a Superbowl along with a punishing Defense.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jan 18 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd be surprised if Quinn fell past Detroit at 2, let alone the Browns at 3. I'd be shocked if he fell like Lienhart did last year. I hope everyone learned how dumb it was to pass on Lienhart. I can bet the Raiders are kicking themselves. So I really don't think Quinn falls very far, hell he still has a great shot at going number 1.



im not knockiing on Quinn becuz i actually think people dont realize that he played with no o-line............but the raiders are known for never taking rookie QB's in the 1st rd and raiders fans want them to take Calvin Johnson who is the no.1 player coming out and Jamarcus Russell is still ahead of him on every draft board...and after the browns there is not really any team who doesnt already have a QB..........in 04 Aaron Rodgers was supposed to get no.1 but slipped to 25 in a similar situation..
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:07 PM

Yeah really. Why is it that they think Davis wont select the best QB in the draft? Just because Russell has a big arm doesn't mean he's a better QB and to just judge his performance in 1 game at the end of the season... that's when people make mistakes. Sure he's got a big arm but I question his ability to be a real winner. A guy that can carry a team on his back and stand in the pocket and manage a pro offense. He's done none of that this year and Brady Quinn has done it two years in a row. Heisman trophy candidate... what more can you say? He should go number 1 overall and if he doesn't then Al Davis should just sell that Franchise because they'll suck for even a longer period of time.

My point: Russell is no where near #1 overall talent. Plain and simply put.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 18 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah really. Why is it that they think Davis wont select the best QB in the draft? Just because Russell has a big arm doesn't mean he's a better QB and to just judge his performance in 1 game at the end of the season... that's when people make mistakes. Sure he's got a big arm but I question his ability to be a real winner. A guy that can carry a team on his back and stand in the pocket and manage a pro offense. He's done none of that this year and Brady Quinn has done it two years in a row. Heisman trophy candidate... what more can you say? He should go number 1 overall and if he doesn't then Al Davis should just sell that Franchise because they'll suck for even a longer period of time.


cough..cough..Vince Young..cough...cough
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:11 PM

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cough..cough..Vince Young..cough...cough


What about Vince Young. He sucks horribly at QB. Just because he was the QB and had an underacheiving team rejuvinated doesn't mean he's a good QB. I look at stats mostly. His stats suck. Meaning when defenses force him to win as a QB he wont be able to do it.... sound like anyone we know....?
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:17 PM

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What about Vince Young. He sucks horribly at QB. Just because he was the QB and had an underacheiving team rejuvinated doesn't mean he's a good QB. I look at stats mostly. His stats suck. Meaning when defenses force him to win as a QB he wont be able to do it.... sound like anyone we know....?



wow.........he just won a national championship and rookie of the year in back to back years all why carrying his teams on his back........i would take this guy over any young QB in a heart beat.... With that said Jamarcus Russell has BUST written all over him..he has one great game and suddenly he's no.1.......but if the raiders draft him if wouldnt be suprised b/c making dum decisions is what makes them the raiders
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jan 18 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like Moss there, and if the draft plays out like that then I'd like Spencer or Woodley where he has us taking Irons. Even though Francis from Hawaii is a nice big body to place at DE. And then maybe a RB with our 3rd pick. I'm nice crazy about Irons, but if he runs well in his workouts I could see him and Leon being a nice combo.


Why would you do that? Remember Bryan Thomas had a great year and recorded nearly double digit sacks. I like the 1 and 2B picks in that mock for us but Irons is undersized and I too would take Bush over him.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:28 PM

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Why would you do that? Remember Bryan Thomas had a great year and recorded nearly double digit sacks. I like the 1 and 2B picks in that mock for us but Irons is undersized and I too would take Bush over him.


OLB opposite Thomas and a DE to replace Kimo.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jan 18 2007, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OLB opposite Thomas and a DE to replace Kimo.


Neither Woodley or Spencer is big enough to be a 3-4 end though. 3-4 ends need to be at least above 290 lbs as they need to occupy blockers to allow the OLB's to get round the edge and to the QB.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:33 PM

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Neither Woodley or Spencer is big enough to be a 3-4 end though. 3-4 ends need to be at least above 290 lbs as they need to occupy blockers to allow the OLB's to get round the edge and to the QB.


woodley and spencer are 3-4 olb...woodley was 3-4 olb in college
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:41 PM

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woodley and spencer are 3-4 olb...woodley was 3-4 olb in college


Spencer is 6'6 260. Woodley I can see him having more difficulty but he's still 6-2 270, both are plenty big to play DE in the 3-4, plus theyd give us huge versatility on D for when we go to 4 down linemen.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:46 PM

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Spencer is 6'6 260. Woodley I can see him having more difficulty but he's still 6-2 270, both are plenty big to play DE in the 3-4, plus theyd give us huge versatility on D for when we go to 4 down linemen.



if those guys played DE we would be more athletic but we would get absolutely dominated at the line of scrimage....we wouldnt be able to stop Tom Couglin from running for 100 yards on our D
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:46 PM

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woodley and spencer are 3-4 olb...woodley was 3-4 olb in college


That's what I said. crazy.gif
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

Agree to disagree then, I like the idea of filling our D with versatile athletic guys who can rush the passer, drop back, and can still play the run. I want a guys like Adalius Thomas who play all over the field.
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