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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:22 PM) He has more upside for a 7th rounder than anyone else
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:22 PM) He can start right away at RT
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:29 PM) He said he won't sign
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:32 PM) so he doesn't want to be drafted?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:33 PM) If Collins doesn't get drafted, he can't enter next years draft. He can only if he is drafted and sits out. So I guess he has to go undrafted
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:41 PM) going undrafted makes the most sense for collins
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:41 PM) but for teams, drafting him and dealing with his holdout makes more sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:19 PM) Zac Stacy was traded to us for our 7th
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:21 PM) Jets also drafted a NT with our other 7th
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:21 PM) 6'4 330 DL who is very strong
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:25 PM) zac stacy for a 7th
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:25 PM) well can't complain about that
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:29 PM) So we have 4 rbs now
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:31 PM) still would have rather taken a runner on collins but i can't complain with depth
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:32 PM) i mean they can't expect to carry 4 rb though no?
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:50 PM) Collins would have been a waste. He would not have signed. At least we have something to show for our pick. Worst case scenario is we trade or release one of our backs.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:56 PM) I know it's hard to tell without seeing a win loss record yet but this regime seems really on point.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:56 PM) For the first time in my life I can say I feel comfortable with the people making the decisions.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:57 PM) I was close with Parcells but he seemed like a short term fixer and didn't care about the long term
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 06:57 PM) SUCK FOR THE DUCK
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 06:57 PM) .......oh wait
santana Icon : (03 May 2015 - 01:13 AM) Well that was a disappointment
Chadforpresi... Icon : (03 May 2015 - 01:24 AM) I like getting Stacy for our 7th rounder, assuming he can handle the fact he won't be a feature back (yikes)
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:31 AM) I like the trade, hes a quality back and adds more depth to our backfield
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:32 AM) Macc has pretty much killed it this offseason
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:32 AM) He has turned this roster around, he has added talent and competition all over.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:33 AM) We still aren't great at QB, but our overall football team is good. We have a realistic shot at making a playoff run
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:33 AM) We may have the best defense in football. We have a great DL and secondary, that is gonna be tough on offenses when you can stop the run, pressure the QB, and blanket the receivers
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:23 PM) ok now it's time for this team to take all this talent and do something anything below a 10-6 season will be a disappointment
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:24 PM) the only still glaring issue is QB
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:25 PM) we got the WR problem solved, we got probably one of the best Defenses in the game and we have addressed the OL but QB will still be the glaring issue
Chaos Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:34 AM) jets cleaning house
azjetfan Icon : (04 May 2015 - 05:57 PM) I'm excited about this year. Could be a good year for the Jets.
ganggreen2003 Icon : (04 May 2015 - 07:32 PM) weird how they cleaned house in the scouting department after such a successful draft and off-season so far
azjetfan Icon : (04 May 2015 - 07:36 PM) I assume they didn't bring much to the table
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 08:41 PM) Have to clean the table
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:08 PM) Fuck the rangers
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:08 PM) face off dominated holtby gtfo
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:18 PM) La'el Collins is meeting with Rex Ryan tonight
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 AM) FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH!
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 05:41 AM) Damn that'd make up for the Bills not having a first rounder
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:59 AM) They didn't sign him yet. It's just a visit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:49 PM) Uefa time
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 11:56 PM) Not sure if anyone saw this on the MSN home page but might be something worth looking into for the offensive line
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 11:56 PM) http://www.msn.com/e...d=HPDHP#image=4
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 6 2005, 04:46 PM)
Wow once again u make no sense. Vinny has an arm and can bomb it all day. does that mean that u let him? NO! of course it makes sense. Look lets say westhoff says kick it. lets say nugent kicks it 1 yard deep in the end zone. The guy is gonna run it out and will have all types of room to do it. if he dierectional kicks it to th 5 yard line he’ll gaet tackled earlier so it more then makes up for the yardage. Westhoff is either an idiot or doesn’t have confidence in his unit to cover the whole field. If u watch nugents video in collge he kicks them through the endzone. Its only a 5 yard difference in the NFL I believe so he can kick it 5 yards deep. Remember the out of bounds kicks? Its cause he was trying to directional kick it EVEN WESTHHOFF SAID SO!

wow. once again you make NO sense. I said TOUCHBACKS. I said obviously Nugent doesn't have the leg for TOUCHBACKS. NOT 1 yard deep kicks in the endzone. TOUCHBACKS. so that means that there is no return. just in case you didn't know that. if he's kicking them through the endzone in college then he should be getting touchbacks. like i said he doesn't have the leg. because if he could kick TOUCHBACKS then westhoff would let him. remember TOUCHBACKS. and that is why westhoff has made him directional kick.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:16 AM

Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 7 2005, 10:51 AM)
Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.


hello. you think if he could kick it 5 yards deep or even 2 yards deep taht westhoff would make him directional kick??? listen our special teams hasn't even been good when it comes to kick offs so why continue to directional kick. why not make him kick in the endzone. and lets be for real. NOBODY IN THE NFL RETURNS A KICK THATS 8 yards deep. almost all of those result in touchbacks. you arent' realistic. just realize that nugent doesn't have the leg. if he did we wouldn't directional kick. if he was putting it in the endzone we wouldn't directional kick. its that simple.

you make no sense
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 01:25 PM

Actually they do. Hall returns everyone he gets his hands on. Didn’t he have lke a 108 yards TD return or something. I’m not saying they all do but the better ones do. Plus u can’t guarantee he’ll do it everytime. He might kick one to the 5 and the next one 5 yards deep. Its not madden u know. if it goes 5 yards deep a lot of returners will take it out. westhoff like the directional kick cause it leaves less lanes for the KR to go through. Its like saying graham sucks for kincking it 30 yards and them getting it at the 10 rather then booming it through the end zone. Its called strategy. Obviously u have a problem with either nugernt or TB or drafting a kicker or maybe your doug brien. U haven’t made any points yet except to say if u can kick deep do it every time. I bet you want vinny to throw a bomb every other play too? it might be fun to watch but it doesn’t win games.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 03:04 PM

take off green glasses
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:13 PM

how do i have on green glasses if i'm bashing our special teams coach? lay off the pipe please. you make no sense whatsoever
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:06 PM

you make no sense. that green hash you smoke has got you in purple heaven. to think that a coach would directional kick for a guy that kicks kickoffs 8 yards into the endzone. who's smoking??? you are.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:24 PM

Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20. If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out. He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback. That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line. Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (a1elbow @ Oct 7 2005, 11:59 PM)
Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20.  If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out.  He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback.  That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line.  Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback

Well said.

Anyone that attacks Nugent is in need of a reality check. This kid is the real deal.

We'd love to have him.

Grammatica was awesome until the 2003 season... then he was a cancer. Nugent will be just as accurate. Get a stronger ST unit that tackles better. Grammatica hardly kicked Touchbacks as well... but he was nails on the FGs.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:04 AM

the thing is people have consistently gotten it past the 20 on our directional kicks. so you tell me if it's better to kick it long or not
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:12 AM

oh one more thing. anyone who questions nugent is being realistic. what has he done since he's been here?: kicked the ball out of bounds and slipped on a field goal. and otherwise he's made normal 30 or so yard field goals. it's not even about questioning nugent. it's about questioning the jets decision to take him with their first pick in the draft when basically we have other needs.

I mean brien wouldn't didn't kick out of bounds all year last year and didn't miss a kick under 40 yards so thats why it's justified to question that decision.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:16 AM

look if u want yo hate nugent fine then do it but don't use your hate for him to try and twist facts
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:15 AM

what did I twist?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:23 PM

the fact that he is being told to directional kick
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:29 PM

do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 11:04 AM)
do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.


brien is getting cut for missing so mane FGs so not yet.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:07 PM

even so forget brien. but i will never be for taking nugent with that pick. even if he does good. and he hasn't even done that. i dont' know how you can defend him and say he's the truth.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:22 PM

wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 02:57 PM)
wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.

I would say that I want Doug Brien back, but it's not like he's doing any better.
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