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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 17 2007, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do me a favor and burn the stat book...

Stats will never show what a defensive linemen does in the 3-4. Shaun Ellis didn't control the line of scrimmage the way Seymour did. Ellis did a good job, no doubt, but he is part of the run defense problem...not the biggest part, obviously, but a part of it.

Not saying that Ellis is as good as Seymour in the 3-4. But dont you think that kind of the reason that Ellis didnt dominate the line is because he was the only threat on the line? When Seymour had Warren, and Wilfork with him. When Warren didnt play against us the 2nd time, thats when we beat them. Though Seymour ended up coming out, but still we were winning when he did. Seymour is injury prone too, he played only 2 full seasons during his career. Atleast he is sort of injury prone. crazy.gif
Plus Seymour is more built for the 3-4, Ellis is a better pass rusher, but Seymour is better verse the run, he is bigger then Ellis. Ellis gained weight though, I heard he weighed in over 295 at the begginning of the season, Seymour is over 310. Man though, if I could take one person from the Pats defense it would be Seymour in a heart beat!
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 17 2007, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not saying that Ellis is as good as Seymour in the 3-4. But dont you think that kind of the reason that Ellis didnt dominate the line is because he was the only threat on the line? When Seymour had Warren, and Wilfork with him. When Warren didnt play against us the 2nd time, thats when we beat them. Though Seymour ended up coming out, but still we were winning when he did. Seymour is injury prone too, he played only 2 full seasons during his career. Atleast he is sort of injury prone. crazy.gif
Plus Seymour is more built for the 3-4, Ellis is a better pass rusher, but Seymour is better verse the run, he is bigger then Ellis. Ellis gained weight though, I heard he weighed in over 295 at the begginning of the season, Seymour is over 310. Man though, if I could take one person from the Pats defense it would be Seymour in a heart beat!


Yeah...exactly...

I'm not bashing Ellis, I think he's a good player...and he's been more than adequate in the 3-4. But he still isn't a perfect fit for it....and contrary to what everyone is saying I heard he actually slimmed down in the offseason? Correction?

I think Ellis is a fine starter for us and should continue to be for another couple years. But he is 30 years old...and we could definitely use a bigger body to rotate in with Ellis...in my opinion.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:37 PM

I LOVE BRANSH. i have him ranked after calvin as the #2 prospect. true game changer. dominant. i would be willing to give up alot to trade up for him. superb physical abilities.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:41 PM

Okoye is better than branch.........Branch is dropping fast because alot of people are saying he cant do one thing particulary well.....Okoye does alot of things well
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:52 PM

are u kidding me. brnahs can do everything well. i didn;t knwo that being good at everything and having a balanced attack was a bad thing. btw okeye is nice but people are overrating him cuz he's a 20 year old senior and you probably only watched him the is the bowl game. he just had a really good game but there are some games where he doesn;t do much but i would love to have okye as well but no way in hell is he better than bransh.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE (JetsRLife @ Jan 17 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
are u kidding me. brnahs can do everything well. i didn;t knwo that being good at everything and having a balanced attack was a bad thing. btw okeye is nice but people are overrating him cuz he's a 20 year old senior and you probably only watched him the is the bowl game. he just had a really good game but there are some games where he doesn;t do much but i would love to have okye as well but no way in hell is he better than bransh.



"Branch just is not a big time playmaker. He is not an explosive penetrator and will not make many plays on his own. He also needs to continue to refine his technique as he can rely on his size too much to make plays."--Robert Davis

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I'm not denying that he isnt good but you cant really expect much out of him other than to eat up space which is good for a NT but okoye can do that and is more athletic
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:04 PM

I see branch as more of a one gap penetrator, I don't see him succeeding in 3-4 as a NT.-He has the size but it's not really his forte, taking up space and controlling the line of scrimmage.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 17 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Branch just is not a big time playmaker. He is not an explosive penetrator and will not make many plays on his own. He also needs to continue to refine his technique as he can rely on his size too much to make plays."--Robert Davis

http://www.footballs...lan_branch.html

I'm not denying that he isnt good but you cant really expect much out of him other than to eat up space which is good for a NT but okoye can do that and is more athletic


If you think Alan Branch is going to eat up space you're going to be dissapointed...

He isn't a NT...and isn't a space eater or gap clogger...

He is a penetrator. And yes I agree he doesn't do one thing exceptionally well...but he does everything good and would be a fantastic DE for us...like Seymour...or better.

Comparing Alan Branch and Amobi Okoye is impossible...they're different types of players...it's like saying a power RB is too slow or a speed RB isn't powerful enough...they're different!
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 18 2007, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you think Alan Branch is going to eat up space you're going to be dissapointed...

He isn't a NT...and isn't a space eater or gap clogger...

He is a penetrator. And yes I agree he doesn't do one thing exceptionally well...but he does everything good and would be a fantastic DE for us...like Seymour...or better.

Comparing Alan Branch and Amobi Okoye is impossible...they're different types of players...it's like saying a power RB is too slow or a speed RB isn't powerful enough...they're different!



I agree he would be a better DE but how can someone who is 6-6 and 320 not be a space-eater.....thats like an oxymoron and is the reason why Tedrel Sands is high on alot of peoples FA wish-list....
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:47 AM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 18 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree he would be a better DE but how can someone who is 6-6 and 320 not be a space-eater.....thats like an oxymoron and is the reason why Tedrel Sands is high on alot of peoples FA wish-list....

Once again, size is not all that matters. Dewayne is around 320 and is not a space eater. I don't know much about Branch, but just being big doesn't make you a space eater. It's about technique.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 02:06 AM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 18 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree he would be a better DE but how can someone who is 6-6 and 320 not be a space-eater.....thats like an oxymoron and is the reason why Tedrel Sands is high on alot of peoples FA wish-list....


Reference Vandelay's post...haha...yeah he nailed it...it's about style of play...
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