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MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:23 PM) f***........................
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:23 PM) I HATE THIS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:24 PM) Dolphins looking to take us out next week also
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:24 PM) I think Mangold has a broken wrist
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:34 PM) Jets 4th loss by 7 points or less. I all 4 of them the jets had the Ball with under 2 mins to go with a chance to tie or win the game
santana Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:35 PM) noooooooo
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:36 PM) yessssssssssssssss
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:53 PM) So now we have to pull for the Pats against the Bills to stay even with them
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:53 PM) BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:54 PM) Hate my life
vjdbbq Icon : (22 November 2015 - 06:11 PM) SLIDE YOU f*** HEAD SLIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vjdbbq Icon : (22 November 2015 - 06:11 PM) I don't want to see Geno !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 11:42 PM) Report is mangold has a severe cut on his hand
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 02:12 AM) Jets playoff hopes are seriously on the edge of going down the drain with all the close records, tie breakers and better division win %.Steelers and Chiefs are prime for the 2 wild card spots. Jets pretty much need to run the table at this point for even a shot at a wildcard.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 02:14 AM) Sucks big time after the season started so promising. 4-1 to total implosion. It sucks even more because we are so used to it we expect it every year now.
vjdbbq Icon : (23 November 2015 - 08:52 AM) Nice ass rob
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 12:31 PM) Jets cut copels today
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 12:32 PM) Coples
NJAzrael71 Icon : (23 November 2015 - 01:24 PM) Scott20119.....how about you go troll and spam some other site? Spammers can go f*** themselves.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:39 PM) vjdbbq you have some serious metal and IQ issues. Why dont you go back to your old ways of never posting when you had only 5 or 6 posts since your join date in 07.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:39 PM) mental
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:49 PM) Thanks for the news MGG. If the FO didn't try to shop him before the trade deadline it was stupid because releasing him now they get nothing. Maybe no one would've traded but if so even a 6th or 7th round draft pick or someone the team might be able to use would've been better than nothing
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:51 PM) He sucked this year but did have a career best 6.5 sacks in 2014 so a team change might work out for him.
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) Couples will land on the Bills when Rex grabs him off waivers
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:37 PM) in the mean time does anyone think we would have a better record under Rex with this same team?
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:53 PM) Couples....it wouldn't surprise me and .....with Rex its hard to tell. His defensive scheming may be the best in football but this team has had a lot of injuries on both sides of the ball which has absolutely cost the team at least 3 games ......so as far as better record. it would be simply an opinion. Bowles has done a good job so I have no problems with him other than time out usage. That said I feel rex got a bad rap because he never had a qb even on Fitz caliber and Fitz is just average. But that is in the past so no sense even debating about it now. Rex is with a new team and we finally have a qb who doesn't completely suck. Still wish we had a true high level franchise qb though.
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:34 PM) Watching the game and I am finding myself yelling at the bills offensive playcalling
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:34 PM) Just stipupidity
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:35 PM) run the ball every time on first and second with zero sucess
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:36 PM) Out D is no where near as good as it should be under Bowles. I'm not sure why. I guess it's easy to blame Bowles but the bend and don't break philosophy isn't working
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:39 PM) They should ban that pick play.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 11:54 PM) As bad as we have played lately we are still a better coached team without Rex. Rex still has no clue how to manage the clock
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 November 2015 - 12:03 AM) See. Can't manage the clock
vjdbbq Icon : (24 November 2015 - 08:05 AM) Hello Rob
vjdbbq Icon : (24 November 2015 - 08:06 AM) They cut coples to save money in case he got hurt practicing since he hardly played ; a business move .
Jetsfan115 Icon : (24 November 2015 - 12:58 PM) our D was better with shit CBs last year. rex is just better at calling a defense then bowles
Jetsfan115 Icon : (24 November 2015 - 12:58 PM) hopefully milliner comes back. where has mcdougle been? revis hurt and cro hurt
Jetsfan115 Icon : (25 November 2015 - 02:37 PM) coples picked up by miami. we play him on sunday now lol
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (25 November 2015 - 05:08 PM) We need a real edge rusher
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (25 November 2015 - 05:08 PM) We are gonna trade Richardson or Wilkerson after this season, hopefully we can then get a edge rusher to compliment them
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (25 November 2015 - 05:10 PM) I never wanted the Jets to draft Coples, he was clearly going to be a bust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (25 November 2015 - 05:10 PM) hes not athletic enough for OLB either, doesn't have enough fluidity in the hips. He can be a decent player, but he needs to be a interior pass rusher
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 07:45 AM) Happy Thanksgiving to Rob !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What's A Number Worth?

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 02:56 AM

This did not really belong in any other forum, good read though...


May 13, 2005
What Is a Number Worth? Some Athletes Pay the Price

The fight for jersey No. 26 is going all the way to courtroom No. 161B.

Next month, the District Court of Maryland will try to answer the question being posed in locker rooms everywhere: how much for your number?

Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis agreed to pay defensive back Ifeanyi Ohalete $40,000 for No. 26 last year, but after Ohalete was released by the team in August, he accused Portis of stopping payments and paying only half the sum.

Ohalete, now wearing No. 25 for the Arizona Cardinals, is claiming breach of contract and suing Portis in a trial scheduled to begin June 7 in Upper Marlboro, Md. "It's not exactly the kind of case you see every day," John Steren, Ohalete's lawyer, said.

But it is just the kind of conflict that plays out every season. When a prominent athlete joins a new team after contract talks, the negotiations in a high-stakes numbers game have often only just begun. Jeff Feagles, the punter for the Giants, wore No. 10 until he sold it to the rookie quarterback Eli Manning last spring for a one-week vacation in Florida. Then Feagles switched to No. 17, which he sold this off-season to receiver Plaxico Burress for a new outdoor kitchen at his home in Phoenix.

"The guys in the equipment room tell me I'm the luckiest person they've ever seen," said Feagles, who hashed out the kitchen deal with Burress's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. "Think about what I've profited in the past two years just from my jersey number. Now I have No. 18, and everyone is wondering if any of the rookies are going to want it."

Mets pitcher Tom Glavine never really even liked No. 47, but it was given to him by the Atlanta Braves at his first spring training and therefore symbolizes everything he overcame to stick in the major leagues. So when Glavine signed with the Mets two years ago and Joe McEwing handed over No. 47, Glavine and his wife financed a baby nursery in McEwing's home.

"If you play long enough," Glavine said, "that number becomes your identity."

For many professional athletes, a jersey number is a personal brand. It is worn on shoes and helmets, wristbands and turtlenecks. It inspires tattoos and is engraved on medallions the size of manhole covers.

Players who have been successful with certain digits are often too superstitious to change. They wonder if they can put up the same numbers while wearing a different number.

Lee Evans was a rookie for the Buffalo Bills last year when he paid $20,000 to his teammate Mark Campbell for No. 83. The Cleveland Browns rookie Kellen Winslow pried No. 80 from his teammate Aaron Shea for a package of suits, meals and a vacation totaling around $30,000. Last month, the veteran outfielder Brian Jordan trumped both of them when he bought a $40,000 motorcycle for Fredi Gonzalez, the Braves' third-base coach, to thank him for No. 33.

"I think he was just expecting a golf shirt or something," Jordan said. "But this number is important to me. It's the way people in Atlanta recognize me."

The price of jersey numbers has escalated at almost the same rate as the value of player contracts. In 1989, Oakland's Rickey Henderson got No. 24 from Ron Hassey by substituting for him at an autograph session. In 1991, Philadelphia reliever Mitch Williams got No. 28 from John Kruk for two cases of beer.

But by 1993, when Henderson wanted No. 24 with the Toronto Blue Jays, he had to pay outfielder Turner Ward $25,000.

"I didn't even think of asking for money," Kruk said. "The only reason Mitch wanted the number is because his wife had a lot of No. 28 jewelry and he didn't want to buy her any more jewelry.

"Not long after that, he got divorced and changed numbers."

There have been Hawaiian baseball players, like Sid Fernandez and Benny Agbayani, who wore No. 50 because they were from the 50th state. There have been baseball players whose last names began with the letter O, like Al Oliver and Rey Ordóñez, who requested and wore No. 0.

And there was one self-deprecating hockey player, Neil Sheehy, who wore No. 0 because he said that he was as far away as anyone could get from Wayne Gretzky, No. 99.

The trends are so difficult to track that espn.com has its own uniform columnist, Paul Lukas, who can tell you that Nick Van Exel once wore No. 37 because he was the 37th pick in the N.B.A. draft, that catcher Benito Santiago once wore No. 09 so that the strap on the back of his chest protector would not cross through the No. 9, and that the Czech hockey star Jaromir Jagr wears No. 68 because of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

"Anyone playing the lottery can tell you about lucky numbers," Lukas said. "And as long as salaries go up, the price for numbers will probably go up, too. For today's athlete, what's the difference between buying a case of beer and buying a motorcycle?"

Sally Faubion of San Francisco, who studies numerology, the effect of numbers on people's lives, said: "When there's a number that resonates with you, it will bring you something positive. If someone says, 'I hate my number; I wish I had another number,' they probably won't do well with it."

Faubion would advise any athlete to pick a jersey number that corresponds to his birth date, making Mets pitcher Kris Benson her ideal example. Benson said he wore No. 7 in high school because he was born on Nov. 7. When he could not get that number at Clemson - the head coach was wearing it - he opted for No. 34 because three plus four equals seven. If Benson were a European soccer player, he might have even taped a plus sign between the digits on his jersey, a recent trend spotted overseas.

Oakland's Barry Zito came up wearing No. 34 because he wanted to pitch like Benson, but when the Athletics retired it as a nod to the Hall of Fame reliever Rollie Fingers, Zito picked No. 75.

"I'm really into numbers and symmetry, and if you look at the 75, it creates a really nice shelf under my name," Zito said. "There's also an added bonus. Not too many people have it, so if I get traded somewhere else, I probably won't have to give up a Rolex."

That is exactly what pitcher Roger Clemens gave Carlos Delgado as thanks for No. 21 in Toronto. When Clemens went to the Yankees, he had to settle for No. 22 because Paul O'Neill had 21. And when Clemens bolted for Houston, he had to keep No. 22 because his teammate Andy Pettitte got No. 21 a month earlier as a tribute to Clemens. Delgado, who gave up No. 21 even though he was wearing it for the Hall of Famer Roberto Clemente, a fellow Puerto Rican, said he still had the Rolex in a safety deposit box.

Even college teams are starting to recruit by numbers. When safety Darnell Bing signed to play safety for Southern California, he asked to wear No. 20, which had long been retired for Mike Garrett, winner of the 1965 Heisman Trophy. Conveniently, Garrett is still on campus, working as the athletic director, and he gave Bing the necessary permission.

For all the locker-room deals that have been struck, nearly as many have stalled. Jacksonville running back Fred Taylor reportedly offered $10,000 to his teammate Aaron Beasley for No. 21 after the 1998 draft, but he was turned down. Frank Viola asked Mets pitcher Dwight Gooden for No. 16 in 1989, to which Gooden responded: "He can have my wife. But he can't have my number." The same season, Steve Sax joined the Yankees and inquired about No. 3. He apparently forgot it had been retired for Babe Ruth.

The Yankees, who used to give out jersey numbers based on a hitter's position in the batting order, have retired 15 numbers. But their ranks are empty compared with the Boston Celtics, who have 22 banners in the rafters. Still, when forward Antoine Walker returned to Boston this season, the rookie Al Jefferson handed him No. 8 and did not ask for anything tangible in return.

"I just told him to teach me everything he knows about the game," Jefferson told reporters. "Ain't all about the money."
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 09:54 AM

great read...i like the zito one..."it creates a nice shelf for my last name", haha.
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 01:14 PM

I was 26 in pee-wee football......nobody is paying me?!?! WTF? LOL

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 08:43 PM

good stuff bz11. very interesting.

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