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Posted 29 June 2005 - 10:45 AM

Reports: Mets, Yanks discuss Cameron for Sheffield


Mike Cameron could be in Yankee pinstripes.
By Scout.com
Date: Jun 29, 2005

The Mets and Yankees have discussed a deal that will tentatively send Mike Cameron and Miguel Cairo to the Yankees in exchange for Gary Sheffield, the New York Post and the Record of Hackensack (N.J.) reported Wednesday.

Sourcing a major league executive, the newspapers reported that the Yankees initiated discussions with the Mets during the Subway Series, when Bernie Williams struggled defensively in the first two games.
Cameron – who missed the first month of the season after wrist surgery and is hitting .298 with six home runs and 16 RBI entering Wednesday's play – would solve those woes, providing the Yankees with a two-time Gold Glove center fielder to push Williams to the designated hitter role.

A positive clubhouse presence, Cameron would also give the Yankees with a strong personality to fill the room, and has said that visiting Yankee Stadium was one of his personal highlights when he was playing for the Seattle Mariners, calling it the "Mecca."

Sheffield, 36, would slot into right field and give the Mets a legitimate right fielder, just months after the club pushed Cameron to the corner to accommodate centerfielder Carlos Beltran.

The 17-year veteran is hitting .300 with 13 home runs and 55 RBI, and is due $13 million this season and next. Cameron, by comparison, is due $6 million for the next two years and holds a $7 million option for 2007.

The inclusion of Cairo in the rumored trade is incidental, although Cairo has said on numerous occasions he enjoyed his time with the Yankees last season and would have liked to return.

Whether the Mets can actually sign off on a trade that appears strongly beneficial for the Yankees is another story. The two teams agreed to a swap of relievers with bad contracts over the winter, dealing Mike Stanton and Felix Heredia, but those players were not everyday, starring performers.

The newspaper reported that the Yankees also have interest in trading for outfielder Mark Kotsay of the Oakland A's.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 10:55 AM

I wouldn't like that trade at all. I would like to keep sheff until his contract is gone. even though he is 37 he has hit in cultch situation and is a good player overall.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 10:58 AM

we could def. get much more for him than mike cameron and cairo... i have not been happy with pretty much any move they have made this past offseason so i can imagine them making another boneheaded one... but maybe the pressure of losing will steer them the right way... eh
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 11:12 AM

Maybe if they gave us a good Pitching spect plus Mike maybe then it would be more fair.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 12:07 PM

sheff is not going anyware.we will need him to make the playoffs.that trade will never happen.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 12:56 PM

The Mets need a first baseman, much more than a RF. Especially an old Right Fielder that is a liability in the field.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE (MIKEGANGGREENFAN2 @ Jun 29 2005, 12:42 PM)
sheff is not going anyware.we will need him to make the playoffs.that trade will never happen.


the tarde was proposed by the yankees, not the mets. Also, i heard that if the mets completed the sweep that night, then cashman wouldve pushed the deal to get it done monday. Camron is making about 6 million, while sheff is making 36, so the trade will get done only if the yankees are willing to give the mets money to help pay for sheff.

The only thing that I dont like is that sheff is 37, and we need to get somebody younger, like overbay. But we also do need that big bat in the lineup, which we couldve got from delgado, and floyd is contributing right now, but id love to see....
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 04:54 PM

this is a dead topic for many reasons...

sheff said if the yanks did deal him he would not play, the yankees is the only team he is willing to play for... he would rather retire than play for the mets... i heard all this on espnradio today...

furthermore the yankees are not this stupid... sheff is 36, cameron is 32... cameron strikes out like woah... in about 25 less games cameron has only one less error... so i know some people will point to the defense, but cameron has two erros, sheff three... and sheff has a much stronger arm... the yanks would have a hole at right if they did this and theres no reason for it... the salary isnt an issue...

this talk needs to end, and the yanks need to pull their heads out of their asses and put some w's together
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 05:37 PM

Its not errors as much as overall play. Isn’t Cameron a former gold glover? And its not sheffs play ist Bernie Williams play the reason they want him. I don’t like it cause sheff is a big bat and probably the best HR hitter the yanks have right now (debatable with a-rod) and Cameron gets lucky to reach 20
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE (bobzero11 @ Jun 29 2005, 05:29 PM)
this is a dead topic for many reasons...

sheff said if the yanks did deal him he would not play, the yankees is the only team he is willing to play for... he would rather retire than play for the mets... i heard all this on espnradio today...

furthermore the yankees are not this stupid... sheff is 36, cameron is 32... cameron strikes out like woah... in about 25 less games cameron has only one less error... so i know some people will point to the defense, but cameron has two erros, sheff three... and sheff has a much stronger arm... the yanks would have a hole at right if they did this and theres no reason for it... the salary isnt an issue...

this talk needs to end, and the yanks need to pull their heads out of their asses and put some w's together

You're out of your mind. Cameron is an upgrade for the Yankmees. The man is a top Center fielder with good pop in his bat. He had 30 HR's last Year. Sheff is a horrible RF and 36 years old making twice as much money as Cameron. I could only hope the rest of the Yankmees think Sheff is better so this deal doesn't go through.
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 06:26 PM

Sheffield miffed at reported trade rumors
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Gary Sheffield does not want to play for the Mets or any team other than the Yankees this season.

"I'm not going anywhere," Sheffield told The New York Times on Wednesday. The Yankees and Mets reportedly were in discussions about a possible Sheffield-for-Mike Cameron swap.

"If I have to go somewhere, I won't go," the Yankees' slugger told The Times. "If they said 'wouldn't you want to get paid', I'd say 'I've got plenty of money.' I'm not playing nowhere else, I can promise you that."

Sheffield is signed through 2006 and does not have a no-trade clause in his contract. He signed a three-year, $39 million contract in December 2003.

The Yankees reportedly are interested in upgrading their defense by placing Cameron in center. The Mets would add another powerful bat to the middle of their order with Sheffield, who plays right field for the Yankees.

Sheffield seemed to hedge in another interview with MLB.com, saying he would want concessions for signing off on any trade.

"If I have to go somewhere else, a lot of things are going to have to be changed or you're going to have an unhappy player," Sheffield told MLB.com.

"I'll ask for everything. Period. You want to inconvenience me, I'm going to inconvenience every situation there is," he added. "The only reason I'm playing is that I wanted to play for the Yankees. If I don't get that opportunity, things change."

Sheffield, who negotiated his current contract personally with Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, did say that he wouldn't hold out if he were to be traded.

"I would never sit out," Sheffield told MLB.com. "I'd go play, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy playing. If I'm not happy, you don't want me on your team. It's that simple. I'll make that known to anybody."
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 06:37 PM

Knowing the Yankees, this is just a rumor. Why would the Yankees get rid of Sheffield.The problem is in cneter field not right. The yankees spent 3 years trying to replace Paul O'niell. The Yankes do this every time around teh trade deadline. they put out a rumor and have people talking and go out and get someone noone expected. They did it Dave Justice and Cecil Fielder and Loiza. I'll beleive it when I see it. I DO NOT want Sheffield traded. We need Sheff. Its bad enough they let Jon Leiber walk. Mark Kotsay is who we need in center field and 2 more pitchers. It's a rumor. Cashman probably made a phone call and got the rumor rolling. The deal also includes Miguel cairo who should of never left the Yankees to begin with. If Sheffield goes we're really in trouble. Sheffield bring in 30 or more HRs a season and over 100 RBIs. Not worth it.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:30 AM

QUOTE (ronnydynamic @ Jun 29 2005, 07:01 PM)
Sheffield miffed at reported trade rumors
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Gary Sheffield does not want to play for the Mets or any team other than the Yankees this season.

"I'm not going anywhere," Sheffield told The New York Times on Wednesday. The Yankees and Mets reportedly were in discussions about a possible Sheffield-for-Mike Cameron swap.

"If I have to go somewhere, I won't go," the Yankees' slugger told The Times. "If they said 'wouldn't you want to get paid', I'd say 'I've got plenty of money.' I'm not playing nowhere else, I can promise you that."

Sheffield is signed through 2006 and does not have a no-trade clause in his contract. He signed a three-year, $39 million contract in December 2003.

The Yankees reportedly are interested in upgrading their defense by placing Cameron in center. The Mets would add another powerful bat to the middle of their order with Sheffield, who plays right field for the Yankees.

Sheffield seemed to hedge in another interview with MLB.com, saying he would want concessions for signing off on any trade.

"If I have to go somewhere else, a lot of things are going to have to be changed or you're going to have an unhappy player," Sheffield told MLB.com.

"I'll ask for everything. Period. You want to inconvenience me, I'm going to inconvenience every situation there is," he added. "The only reason I'm playing is that I wanted to play for the Yankees. If I don't get that opportunity, things change."

Sheffield, who negotiated his current contract personally with Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, did say that he wouldn't hold out if he were to be traded.

"I would never sit out," Sheffield told MLB.com. "I'd go play, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy playing. If I'm not happy, you don't want me on your team. It's that simple. I'll make that known to anybody."



There is no way Cameron is a better player then Sheffield, Cameron is better in the field but that is about it. And saying Sheffield is old, how did he do last year? He was runner up for the MVP, if Vlad's team didn't make a great run at the end of the season to make the playoffs, Sheff would have been the MVP. And what happened to the Mets fans wanting Victor Diaz to replace Cameron, now they think Cameron is the best think since sliced cheese. You guys make me laugh.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 05:32 PM

Sheffield stays simple as that
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Alcatraz @ Jun 30 2005, 06:07 PM)
Sheffield stays simple as that


well said.
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Posted 01 July 2005 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE (Alcatraz @ Jun 30 2005, 06:07 PM)
Sheffield stays simple as that

Good, keep him. mega_shok.gif
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