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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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The Next Herm Edwards?

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Post icon  Posted 22 January 2007 - 11:30 AM

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Tomlin, though, is a disciple of the Cover 2 scheme, a 4-3 front that he learned in Tampa Bay under former Bucs coach Tony Dungy and coordinator Monte Kiffin, and which he implemented in Minnesota this season when he was hired as coordinator. In an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette this week, Tomlin suggested he won't be tied down to one defense.

"I'm a fundamentalist as opposed to scheme," Tomlin said. "I think football is a tough man's game, an attrition game. You win by stopping the run and being able to run the ball effectively. And by doing the things winners do."

Yet given his affinity for the Cover 2 scheme, there is little question Tomlin will want to convert to a 4-3 front as quickly as possible. The bigger question: Does Pittsburgh possess the appropriate personnel for such a switch?



Man that sounds awfully close to a certain someone who used to coach the Jets..... Let's hope so! I hate the Steelers. Sperm Headwards always was saying that kind of stupid shit, "Play to win the game." "You win by stopping the run and running well." "Insert more PC bullshit and cliche's here."

Question is, why would the Steelers hire a guy that wasn't successful on defense and is a 1st year coordinator? I mean, yeah they had a good run defense, but those numbers are always skewed when it's because your team can't stop the pass so no one really runs on you, they just throw it. Interesting though, I just read this article because I wasn't sure why they went after this guy, it's not like he's a proven winner or anything, but none the less.... I got some weird creepy flashback half way through. Makes you appreciate Mangini that much more IMO.

However, this really is good news for the Jets. We can rob the Steelers of players and defensive coaches. Most notably Dick LeBeau. That would be sweet.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 11:52 AM

His philosophy fits right in with the Steelers: run the ball and play solid defense. From what you posted he seems a typical blue collar football guy rather than Edwards who didn't truly put into practice what he preached.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 22 2007, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
His philosophy fits right in with the Steelers: run the ball and play solid defense. From what you posted he seems a typical blue collar football guy rather than Edwards who didn't truly put into practice what he preached.


That's the point. Edwards said that same stuff, came from the same lineage, having the same philosophies. It's more along the lines of pulling a fleece over everyone's eyes. We haven't seen enough of Tomlin to make that assumption and that's not really what I'm meaning to bring out, but if you switched Tomlin's name with Edwards in that article.... you'd see that it could have been written about him. That's what I'm talking about. Lets hope for Pitts sake they don't get Herm #2, a spinster with the cliche terms of how to win by incorporating a Tampa 2 defense. I'll tell you what, if and when he dismantles that defense and it doesn't work out... the media is gonna be all over him.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 22 2007, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man that sounds awfully close to a certain someone who used to coach the Jets..... Let's hope so! I hate the Steelers. Sperm Headwards always was saying that kind of stupid shit, "Play to win the game." "You win by stopping the run and running well." "Insert more PC bullshit and cliche's here."

Question is, why would the Steelers hire a guy that wasn't successful on defense and is a 1st year coordinator? I mean, yeah they had a good run defense, but those numbers are always skewed when it's because your team can't stop the pass so no one really runs on you, they just throw it. Interesting though, I just read this article because I wasn't sure why they went after this guy, it's not like he's a proven winner or anything, but none the less.... I got some weird creepy flashback half way through. Makes you appreciate Mangini that much more IMO.

However, this really is good news for the Jets. We can rob the Steelers of players and defensive coaches. Most notably Dick LeBeau. That would be sweet.


wasn't successful?
the vikes defense was top 10 in total defense
number 1 in rushing (only team to not let up 1000 yards rushing in the NFL)
3rd in takeaways

thats looks good to me
Get it done MT
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:53 AM

You could say that about a lot of coaches...

Running the ball well and stopping the run IS the key to winning games...can't harp on the guy for being right! I think it's a good signing and I think he'll do a good job. Just remains to be seen what he does with all of those 3-4 players.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:13 PM

You know where Dungy learned the Cover 2 defense, as a backup QB on those Steeler superbowl teams.
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