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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Bill Belichick Proof of what kind of person he is, not just an opinion!

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 11:16 AM

NEW YORK - Former New England Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson said coach Bill Belichick subjected him to hard hits in practice while he was recovering from a concussion against the advice of the team's top trainer.



Johnson, who helped the Patriots win three Super Bowl titles before retiring two years ago, told The New York Times that a collision with another player during that 2002 practice led to another concussion. And, after sustaining additional concussions over the next three seasons, he now forgets people's names, misses appointments and suffers from depression and an addiction to amphetamines.

"There's something wrong with me," the 34-year-old Johnson told the Times in a story posted on its Web site Thursday night. "There's something wrong with my brain. And I know when it started."

The Boston Globe, which is owned by the Times, posted a similar story on its Web site.

Johnson, who played 10 years in the NFL, said he began to deteriorate in August 2002 with a concussion during an exhibition game against the New York Giants. He sustained another concussion four days later after Belichick prodded him to participate in a full-contact practice, even though he was supposed to be avoiding hits, Johnson said.

The next month, with their relationship already strained, Johnson confronted Belichick about the practice after the coach asked him to meet in his office.

"I told him, `You played God with my health. You knew I shouldn't have been cleared to play,'" Johnson told the Globe.

Belichick told the Globe he got no cue from Johnson in practice that day that he was hesitant about participating in the full-contact drill.

"If Ted felt so strongly that he didn't feel he was ready to practice with us, he should have told me," Belichick said.

The Patriots did not allow Jim Whalen, still their head trainer, to comment for this story, according to the Globe.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the team was aware of the report but was not prepared to comment.

In a story last month, the Times reported that brain damage caused on the football field ultimately led to the suicide of former NFL defensive back Andre Waters last November, according to a forensic pathologist who studied Waters' brain tissue.

"We have been focused on the issue of concussions for years," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the AP. "It remains one of our prime concerns as we continue to do everything possible to protect the health of our players."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to answer questions about the issue at his annual state of the NFL news conference Friday.

Dr. Lee H. Schwamm, the neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital who examined Johnson, wrote in a memo on Aug. 19, 2002, that Johnson sustained a second concussion in that practice, the Times reported.

Schwamm also wrote that, after speaking with Whalen, that the trainer "was on the sidelines when he sustained the concussion during the game and assessed him frequently at the sideline," and that "he has kept Mr. Johnson out of contact since that time."

Johnson said he spoke with Belichick the next day about the incident, but only briefly, the Times said.

"He was vaguely acknowledging that he was aware of what happened," Johnson said, "and he wanted to just kind of let me know that he knew."

Johnson sat out the next two preseason games on the advice of his neurologist, but played in the final one. Then, thinking he was still going to be left off the active roster for the season opener against Pittsburgh, he angrily left camp for two days before returning and meeting with Belichick.

"It's as clear as a bell, 'I had to see if you could play,'" Johnson recalled Belichick saying, according to the Times.

Moments later, Johnson said, Belichick admitted he had made a mistake by subjecting him to a full-contact drill.

"It was a real kind of admittance, but it was only him and I in the room," Johnson told the Times.

After returning to game action, the linebacker sustained more concussions of varying severity over the following three seasons, each of them exacerbating the next, according to his current neurologist, Dr. Robert Cantu.

Cantu told the Times he was certain that Johnson's problems "are related to his previous head injuries, as they are all rather classic postconcussion symptoms."

He added, "They are most likely permanent."

Cantu, the chief of neurosurgery and director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass., also said Johnson shows signs of early Alzheimer's disease.

"The majority of those symptoms relentlessly progress over time," Cantu said. "It could be that at the time he's in his 50s, he could have severe Alzheimer's symptoms."

Johnson told the Globe he estimates he had at least six concussions in his last three seasons, but reported only one because he already had a reputation as an injury-prone player and he didn't want to make it worse.

"Looking back, it was stupid not to tell anyone," Johnson said. "But I didn't know then that every time you have a concussion, you are four to six times more susceptible the next time. I had no idea the damage I was causing myself."

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, spoke in general terms about concussions at a news conference Thursday in Miami, where the Super Bowl will be played Sunday.

"If a coach or anyone else is saying, 'You don't have a concussion, you get back in there,' you don't have to go, and you shouldn't go," Upshaw said, not speaking about Johnson's case specifically. "You know how you feel. That's what we tried to do throughout the years, is take the coach out of the decision-making. It's the medical people that have to decide."

Upshaw told the AP that concussions are one of the issues the union is examining this year.

"We've seen a number of concussions in the NFL this year, and as a result of our studies, we've seen a change in the helmet. We're also studying the effects of that on concussions," Upshaw said.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:12 PM

i see where the patriots are a completely moral-less franchise, especially by not allowing the tainer to talk, but johnson should have known better. yes i know hes bound to a contact and all, but six concussions in 2 years.... but i guess you could say that the patriots took advantage of johnson as his health deteriorated.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 12:52 PM

Wow, that's terrible for Johnson, I hope he gets better. But that goes again to show what an ass Belibitch is. The media is finally opening its eyes.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 01:52 PM

Johnson was also on steroids. Even the pats fans here in Boston admits to that. No way someone's neck could get this big and veins popping out of it. Bellichump + steroids = Depression.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 01:54 PM

It was dumb of Johnson not to report those other concussions, but it sounds like he was scared/presssured into it by Belichick. You can understand him wanting to keep his job, and when a coach basically calls you a pu$$y for not takin part in a full-contact drill, you wanna prove him wrong. Belichick should've known better than to risk a man (not just a player!) so soon after a head injury...what a d*ckhole...
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (green_blood @ Feb 2 2007, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i see where the patriots are a completely moral-less franchise, especially by not allowing the tainer to talk, but johnson should have known better. yes i know hes bound to a contact and all, but six concussions in 2 years.... but i guess you could say that the patriots took advantage of johnson as his health deteriorated.


iagree.gif It was wrong for the Pats to play him through those concussions but if Johnson should have said he shouldn't play to Belichick as that is a heck of a lot of concussions in two years. I feel bad for Johnson but he is partly to blame here for going out and risking his health although it is pretty brave to do what he did. Both sides did the wrong thing here.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 02:34 PM

that just messed up
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 02:39 PM

Despite his limitations, that was one thing I can respect about Herm. Say what you want but he cared about the players health and he wouldn't let Wayne Chrebet continue playing. It really shows the difference between the kind of guy Belichick is and any caring human being. It's quite disturbing actually. Win at all costs.... and this guy is the best "coach" ever? I don't know about that.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Feb 2 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Despite his limitations, that was one thing I can respect about Herm. Say what you want but he cared about the players health and he wouldn't let Wayne Chrebet continue playing. It really shows the difference between the kind of guy Belichick is and any caring human being. It's quite disturbing actually. Win at all costs.... and this guy is the best "coach" ever? I don't know about that.



i dont know we are talking about a 34 year old washed up roid head...im just not sure even belicheck would "force" a guy to practice with concussion status and purposely "ruin his brain and life". I know belicheck is an ass and we all have a vendetta against him for bailin on us after a day and how much he wins, but I dont know that he would put anyone in that position. I mean he seems to be somewhat a family guy celebrating with his fam after games showing he has some feelings and isnt just some goon....i just dont know about this it seems like a little bit of digging deep for a story to me..

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Feb 2 2007, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont know we are talking about a 34 year old washed up roid head...im just not sure even belicheck would "force" a guy to practice with concussion status and purposely "ruin his brain and life". I know belicheck is an ass and we all have a vendetta against him for bailin on us after a day and how much he wins, but I dont know that he would put anyone in that position. I mean he seems to be somewhat a family guy celebrating with his fam after games showing he has some feelings and isnt just some goon....i just dont know about this it seems like a little bit of digging deep for a story to me..

The story did say that the Pats were refusing to comment. "No comment" might not necessarily mean that they're hiding anythin but if they were totally innocent they'd probably wanna say somethin in their defence
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 06:24 PM

It is all over sportscenter and the news tonite. The new NFL comish didn't seem like he'll protect Bellchump on this one.
Fifteen years ago after an especially disappointing loss to Miami, Esiason, then the Jets' quarterback, was making the seven-mile drive from the Meadowlands back to Manhattan.
While he was slogging through stop-and-go traffic at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel, the car next to him was violently rear-ended. The quarterback threw his car into park, hopped out and ran to the woman whose car had been hit. She was wearing, of all things, an Esiason jersey, and was utterly shocked when he tapped on her window to check on her.
"Are you OK?" he said, trying to keep calm. "Are you OK?"
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Feb 2 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Despite his limitations, that was one thing I can respect about Herm. Say what you want but he cared about the players health and he wouldn't let Wayne Chrebet continue playing. It really shows the difference between the kind of guy Belichick is and any caring human being. It's quite disturbing actually. Win at all costs.... and this guy is the best "coach" ever? I don't know about that.



I really want to agree with oyu about Herm .. because as time goes by I have less anger about the way he left and more respect for the way he treated his players

but I can think of 2 names off the top of my head

1 - Curtis .. I knew when Curt was tackled in that miami game that something was terribly wrong .. Herm should have known it and acted on it immediatly .. he didnt and the situation got worse and probably ended Curtis' career .. I know getting Curtis to sit is damned near impossible .. but he was the coach and should have impossed his will .. specially considering the leaky sive(sp?) of an offensive line we had that year

2- Chad .. he also played beyond what his injury should have allowed .. both times leading up to his post season surgery

Herm was/is a good man .. but I dont think he should be in charge of a football team by any means


as for Bellidick .. is ANYBODY really surprised by the amount of an asshole he is at this point?
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (CrazyHorseDave @ Feb 2 2007, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really want to agree with oyu about Herm .. because as time goes by I have less anger about the way he left and more respect for the way he treated his players

but I can think of 2 names off the top of my head

1 - Curtis .. I knew when Curt was tackled in that miami game that something was terribly wrong .. Herm should have known it and acted on it immediatly .. he didnt and the situation got worse and probably ended Curtis' career .. I know getting Curtis to sit is damned near impossible .. but he was the coach and should have impossed his will .. specially considering the leaky sive(sp?) of an offensive line we had that year

2- Chad .. he also played beyond what his injury should have allowed .. both times leading up to his post season surgery

Herm was/is a good man .. but I dont think he should be in charge of a football team by any means
as for Bellidick .. is ANYBODY really surprised by the amount of an asshole he is at this point?

I agree with everything you said.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 07:45 PM

It seems that some of that shine is wearing off Bellicheck. All the dumb things he's done seem to be coming out. He's starting to be viewed as a bad guy in some circles. That makes me wonder how long he still has to coach.

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (Fatman @ Feb 2 2007, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems that some of that shine is wearing off Bellicheck. All the dumb things he's done seem to be coming out. He's starting to be viewed as a bad guy in some circles. That makes me wonder how long he still has to coach.

I'm beginning to think all the shine are coming off bc of the coaches he lost in the last 2 years. As it go on, you'll be hearing more of his bs coming out. This is the end of a dynasty once you hear about these stuffs.
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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:58 AM

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 10:53 PM

Don't forget about this latest scandal

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