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Post icon  Posted 28 November 2008 - 08:36 AM

Top trades: Jets pack 1-2 punch
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports - Nov 26, 11:38 am EST

For a man who helped engineer what is shaping up to be one of the top trades in NFL history, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson didn’t seem all that interested in gloating about the move to get Brett Favre.“We’ve had a number of moves we made that have had to work out for us to get here,” Johnson said as he walked from the Jets locker room to his waiting car following New York’s 34-13 win over Tennessee in Nashville, Tenn., Sunday. “There’s a lot that has gone into this … getting Brett, yeah, that was the biggest move from a standpoint of attention. But it wasn’t the only one.”

“There’s a lot that’s gone into this. A lot of moves and a lot of work to make those moves successful.” Without question. Trades in the NFL are difficult to pull off, in part because of the massive number of moving parts. There’s no better proof than the series of significant trades made this year, ranging from the late high-profile deals of Favre, Jason Taylor and Jeremy Shockey to the more traditional moves featuring Jared Allen, Jonathan Vilma and Shaun Rogers.“The key to making any deal is to know exactly what you’re getting and how you’re going to make it work because the dynamics of any trade are so difficult to work out,” said Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Polian, who swung an important deadline deal for defensive tackle Anthony McFarland in 2006 on the way to a Super Bowl win and then cancelled a deadline deal this year when Buffalo defensive tackle John McCargo failed a physical.

“You also have to have patience, because it takes a long time for you to see how it’s really going to work,” Polian said.That may explain why Johnson kept his happiness with the Favre deal under wraps. Yeah, things look great right now, but much can change.Amid the overreaction that goes with all things in New York – Jets fans and the media have gone from ripping Favre after he threw seven interceptions total in Weeks 6-8 to proclaiming the Big Apple the center of the football universe this year – there’s a tendency to lose sight of the fact that if not for another trade with a huge payoff, the Jets wouldn’t be here.Trading for defensive tackle Kris Jenkins has been almost as significant as getting Favre on offense. Given the massive changes the Jets made on defense in the offseason (dumping Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Vilma), getting Jenkins and having him experience a career renaissance has been incalculably significant.Now of course, there were some trades made that went far from expected. Can you say: DeAngelo Hall to the Raiders? And there’s that ongoing saga in Dallas with Adam “Pacman” Jones. Hall has already been shipped out of town while Jones is hanging on by a thread.

With that said, here’s a look at the 10 most significant trades of 2008:

~ ~ ~ 5. Jonathan Vilma (from the Jets to the Saints)
Vilma has been a steady, although decidedly unspectacular, player for the Saints after they picked him up from the Jets in the offseason. He has 87 tackles and one interception for a defense that hasn’t gotten much better over the past two years. That’s an acceptable trade, for now. The problem is that Vilma could end up costing the Saints a second-round pick in 2009, which is not a great deal. Not terrible, but certainly not worth the overall results the Saints have gotten so far.

~ ~ 2. Kris Jenkins (from the Carolina Panthers to the Jets)
The Jets take the top two spots right now, which is a big reason why they’re in control of the AFC East. They picked up Jenkins for a couple of draft picks and all Jenkins is doing is playing like a Pro Bowler. He has 3½ sacks, the most he’s had since 2003 and he’s on pace for the second most of his career. More important, the highly emotional Jenkins dominates the point of attack in the middle. In short, he’s a beast. Carolina came out of the deal with a starting safety (Charles Godfrey) and a backup tight end (Gary Barnidge). Not terrible, particularly given that they’d grown tired of Jenkins’ moody ways.

~ 1. Favre (from the Packers to the Jets)
This deal probably won’t ever measure up to the Herschel Walker trade in terms of historical significance and it’s not as if Green Bay got ripped off (Aaron Rodgers looks like a good quarterback for years to come). But this trade could be along the lines of St. Louis getting Marshall Faulk from Indianapolis in 1999, when Faulk helped lead the Rams to a title. Anytime you deal for a guy who is worth discussing as an MVP candidate, you’re getting a good deal, even if the guy retires after one season. For those who thought Favre would be a dud in the second half (yours truly included), you’re looking really wrong right now.

Jason Cole is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Jason a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 10:37 AM

QUOTE (kelly @ Nov 28 2008, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Top trades: Jets pack 1-2 punch
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports - Nov 26, 11:38 am EST

For a man who helped engineer what is shaping up to be one of the top trades in NFL history, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson didn’t seem all that interested in gloating about the move to get Brett Favre.“We’ve had a number of moves we made that have had to work out for us to get here,” Johnson said as he walked from the Jets locker room to his waiting car following New York’s 34-13 win over Tennessee in Nashville, Tenn., Sunday. “There’s a lot that has gone into this … getting Brett, yeah, that was the biggest move from a standpoint of attention. But it wasn’t the only one.”

“There’s a lot that’s gone into this. A lot of moves and a lot of work to make those moves successful.” Without question. Trades in the NFL are difficult to pull off, in part because of the massive number of moving parts. There’s no better proof than the series of significant trades made this year, ranging from the late high-profile deals of Favre, Jason Taylor and Jeremy Shockey to the more traditional moves featuring Jared Allen, Jonathan Vilma and Shaun Rogers.“The key to making any deal is to know exactly what you’re getting and how you’re going to make it work because the dynamics of any trade are so difficult to work out,” said Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Polian, who swung an important deadline deal for defensive tackle Anthony McFarland in 2006 on the way to a Super Bowl win and then cancelled a deadline deal this year when Buffalo defensive tackle John McCargo failed a physical.

“You also have to have patience, because it takes a long time for you to see how it’s really going to work,” Polian said.That may explain why Johnson kept his happiness with the Favre deal under wraps. Yeah, things look great right now, but much can change.Amid the overreaction that goes with all things in New York – Jets fans and the media have gone from ripping Favre after he threw seven interceptions total in Weeks 6-8 to proclaiming the Big Apple the center of the football universe this year – there’s a tendency to lose sight of the fact that if not for another trade with a huge payoff, the Jets wouldn’t be here.Trading for defensive tackle Kris Jenkins has been almost as significant as getting Favre on offense. Given the massive changes the Jets made on defense in the offseason (dumping Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Vilma), getting Jenkins and having him experience a career renaissance has been incalculably significant.Now of course, there were some trades made that went far from expected. Can you say: DeAngelo Hall to the Raiders? And there’s that ongoing saga in Dallas with Adam “Pacman” Jones. Hall has already been shipped out of town while Jones is hanging on by a thread.

With that said, here’s a look at the 10 most significant trades of 2008:

~ ~ ~ 5. Jonathan Vilma (from the Jets to the Saints)
Vilma has been a steady, although decidedly unspectacular, player for the Saints after they picked him up from the Jets in the offseason. He has 87 tackles and one interception for a defense that hasn’t gotten much better over the past two years. That’s an acceptable trade, for now. The problem is that Vilma could end up costing the Saints a second-round pick in 2009, which is not a great deal. Not terrible, but certainly not worth the overall results the Saints have gotten so far.

~ ~ 2. Kris Jenkins (from the Carolina Panthers to the Jets)
The Jets take the top two spots right now, which is a big reason why they’re in control of the AFC East. They picked up Jenkins for a couple of draft picks and all Jenkins is doing is playing like a Pro Bowler. He has 3½ sacks, the most he’s had since 2003 and he’s on pace for the second most of his career. More important, the highly emotional Jenkins dominates the point of attack in the middle. In short, he’s a beast. Carolina came out of the deal with a starting safety (Charles Godfrey) and a backup tight end (Gary Barnidge). Not terrible, particularly given that they’d grown tired of Jenkins’ moody ways.

~ 1. Favre (from the Packers to the Jets)
This deal probably won’t ever measure up to the Herschel Walker trade in terms of historical significance and it’s not as if Green Bay got ripped off (Aaron Rodgers looks like a good quarterback for years to come). But this trade could be along the lines of St. Louis getting Marshall Faulk from Indianapolis in 1999, when Faulk helped lead the Rams to a title. Anytime you deal for a guy who is worth discussing as an MVP candidate, you’re getting a good deal, even if the guy retires after one season. For those who thought Favre would be a dud in the second half (yours truly included), you’re looking really wrong right now.

Jason Cole is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Jason a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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There is also the Dewayne Robertson trade, which looks like we will end up getting nothing, but the most important thing is we were able to rid ourselves of his contract, so overall, getting a second for Vilma and getting rid of D-Robs contract, then getting Jenkins and Pace on Defense, I think we improved our core Defense pretty well.
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 03:43 PM

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 04:00 PM

Does anyone know how it looks like all of our trades will end up? Between the Favre, Vilma, D Rob, etc trades? I don't really particularly feel like figuring it out.
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Nov 28 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone know how it looks like all of our trades will end up? Between the Favre, Vilma, D Rob, etc trades? I don't really particularly feel like figuring it out.


i think we will get a 2nd for vilma, a 4th for d-rob, we gave up a 3rd and 5th for jenkins, and were gonna give up a 2nd for favre (for making the playoffs or a 1st for the SB) so assuming favre takes us to the SB

we should have a
2nd (ours)
2nd (NO)
4th (den)
6th (ours)
7th (ours)
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Nov 28 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think we will get a 2nd for vilma, a 4th for d-rob, we gave up a 3rd and 5th for jenkins, and were gonna give up a 2nd for favre (for making the playoffs or a 1st for the SB) so assuming favre takes us to the SB

we should have a
2nd (ours)
2nd (NO)
4th (den)
6th (ours)
7th (ours)


But the 3rd and 5th for Jenkins was in the last draft wasn't it...and I doubt we're getting anything for D Rob...doesn't play enough snaps. Is that all of them? WHy do I feel like there were more trades?

...so...you're pretty confident we're going to the superbowl huh?
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 04:35 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Nov 28 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But the 3rd and 5th for Jenkins was in the last draft wasn't it...and I doubt we're getting anything for D Rob...doesn't play enough snaps. Is that all of them? WHy do I feel like there were more trades?

...so...you're pretty confident we're going to the superbowl huh?


not really, just putting a worse case scenario. and ur right jenks was from last draft. and we will be in the playoffs unless something bizarre happens so it will be at least a 2nd for favre.
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 05:32 PM

We aren't getting shit for D Rob btw...read it in the New York Post earlier in the week....he hasn't played even close to the 65% snaps needed.


The situational role has served not only to keep Robertson fresh but produced other big-picture consequences. The Jets will receive nothing in terms of draft-pick compensation for Robertson if he plays less than 65 percent of the snaps this season. He is playing considerably less and isn't expected to approach that threshold by season's end.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 02:57 AM

The Jets will receive a conditional pick for Vilma, hopefully a 2nd, and lose a conditional pick for Favre, hopefully a 1st. They will also have the 4th rounder from the Pete Kendall trade.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 07:23 AM

I think the Jets knew they would end up getting nothing for D-Rob all along, they just had to rid themselves of his contract to get room under the cap.

I would gladly give up a first round pick for Favre if he brought us to the Super Bowl, it would be worth not having a pick in the first round just to get a chance to see something that hasn't happened in 40 years, I was only 2 so can't say I seen SB III.

And it would be one of the last picks in the first round anyway, not a big loss.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Nov 29 2008, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Jets will receive a conditional pick for Vilma, hopefully a 2nd, and lose a conditional pick for Favre, hopefully a 1st. They will also have the 4th rounder from the Pete Kendall trade.


really? from the kendall trade? wasn't that like 17 years ago?
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 01:00 PM

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really? from the kendall trade? wasn't that like 17 years ago?

It was a 5th rounder last year that turned into a 4th rounder this year because Kendall played a certain percentage of their snaps. I forget exactly how much, probably around 80%.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Nov 28 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Jets will receive a conditional pick for Vilma, hopefully a 2nd, and lose a conditional pick for Favre, hopefully a 1st. They will also have the 4th rounder from the Pete Kendall trade.


i'd give the 32nd pick in the draft for a SB title anyday.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 03:35 PM

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i'd give the 32nd pick in the draft for a SB title anyday.


All they have to do is go to the Super Bowl and they give up their number one to Green Bay, not win it.
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