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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:22 PM

Its just usually people side with the systems they have. I had a friend of mine who said the PS2 graphics were better then xbox. Its crazy. Anyway I felt cause I have all 3 I would be the least biased. I do not work for Microsoft or any of the companies. I work for an electric company. I’m not a PC expert but I know a thing or 2 and xbox was way better then PS2 and the new xbox will be better then PS3. an I was a big playstation fan for a long time until I played the xbox and seen how much better it is. I think some people need to step into the new age of technology. And it is the xbox. It seems people are just saying it because they hate Microsoft. I hate them too. Did u hear about software leasing? Probably not and when I did it made me hate them more. Not to mention all the holes windows has to be hacked by everyone. But it doesn’t change the fact that at the end of the day they built a better system then sony provided.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 17 2005, 04:57 PM)
Did u hear about software leasing? Probably not


please do not assume what i do and do not know

anyway let's take this to the topic i just put up in the man show
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:28 PM

Xbox sells GTA3 and vice city together in a pack for the price of one. With updated graphics. I liked both of them. Don’t care for san andreas but if it’s a big hit on PS the xbox will get it too. Everytime. They even have FF. I don’t like it. People like it because it is such an easy game but long. Its like impossible not to beat FF. its popular but I love RPGs and I don’t like it too much. I’m not gonna say it sucks but I don’t think it deserves the hype. I also love contra. They sell it at the mall. For 35 bucks you get 2 controllers. A gun and 76 games built in including Mario, pac-man, contra, duck hunt and more. A great deal. I didn’t buy one cause I don’t have the time for it but you’d probably love it.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:47 PM

PS3 is a waist of your money. It may have a few hundred more games, but they always come out with shitty games. In fact, they all suck except for that once a year hit. The whole blue ray thing is stupid, its not worth your time. Xbox is far superior to the likings of PS3, in fact by the time ps3 rolles out xbox will have been on the market longer and will have its priced slash. The only people that will really buy ps3 are the sony fanboy's and girls.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 05:13 PM

the new xbox is much better!!!!!!! PS3 looks like a waste of money but i wouldn't mind both.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 06:03 PM

Either way I think I am leaning towards PC gaming anyway. Pretty much any big hit game is on PC and you have more processing power, about 5 times the RAM. Tons of space, and an internet connection without having to pay 40 dollars for an addon. Plus, updates!!!! That was my biggest thing, as soon as you get Madden, it seems out of date! Anyway, to say XBox is gonna be better than PS3 is stupid cause neither has come out yet, but I will tell you this that alot of people are already dissapointed with XBox360. So just keep that in mind. As well as MS is battling Google now, and that is their main focus for the time being, dont expect so much from the XBox.

PC is where it's gonna be anyway!
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:56 PM

DO NOT ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEW XBOX OR PS3 WILL BE LIKE. UNESS YOU WORK FOR SONY OR MICROSOFT AND YOU DEVELOPED IT, YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:44 PM

This is a direct quote from people that get paid to know what they are talking about and judge the console systems at E3:

http://gamesdomain.y.../feature/116217

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Who'd have thought that Sony could pull off such a coup? Sure, the PlayStation 3 is going to lag behind the Xbox 360 by six months or so, but -- if we can believe the Sony press conference -- it's going to grind it into the dust on the hardware. Massive hardware power, a built-in hard drive, up to seven wireless controllersm and a display resolution so high you can't even buy a television to support it. Make no mistake, it's a beast of a console.




So there you go, PS3 is better than XBox180 [lol] :tease:
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:56 PM

Notice. I never posted during this argument. WHy? because I cannot get into these arguments. I have too much to say. and way too little time to say it. Like right now I should have been asleep for like 2 hours already but I had to come here. You know what? This is my last ever post. I need to get my time in priority. I have no time since I've been home between work and my social life. I'm sorry but I respect you all and love this place, but I need my life back and while I was about to post my feelings on the games spoken previously about I decided I couldnt say it all. Good luck to you all and GO JETS!
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 05:05 AM

I hope you know that xbox will be useable on your pc.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 05:37 AM

Well, concidering I can play both systems, It doesn't matter to me, but I will get the PS3, just becasue thats the system I started with and had PS,PS@,and now PS3

-But idk about sum of u guys, but everyone I know that has XBox only got it cuz they suck a videogames, so when me and my friedns would play PS2, they would suck, so they baught XBox as an excuse when they sucked on PS2, though when I play them on XBox I still win, and I'm not that good wit it, but idk about every1 else, but thats the pattern I've seen.


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Posted 18 May 2005 - 08:56 AM

I’m really good at games I’ve beaten everybody from Nintendo to super Nintendo to sega to Nintendo 64 to PS1 to PS2 to CG to Xbox.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:32 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 17 2005, 03:57 PM)
Its just usually people side with the systems they have. I had a friend of mine who said the PS2 graphics were better then xbox. Its crazy. Anyway I felt cause I have all 3 I would be the least biased. I do not work for Microsoft or any of the companies. I work for an electric company. I’m not a PC expert but I know a thing or 2 and xbox was way better then PS2 and the new xbox will be better then PS3. an I was a big playstation fan for a long time until I played the xbox and seen how much better it is. I think some people need to step into the new age of technology. And it is the xbox. It seems people are just saying it because they hate Microsoft. I hate them too. Did u hear about software leasing? Probably not and when I did it made me hate them more. Not to mention all the holes windows has to be hacked by everyone. But it doesn’t change the fact that at the end of the day they built a better system then sony provided.


I'm betting a lot of people here have all there systems. I have all three, an atari, GB (B&W, Color, and advanced), Genesis, a super nintendo, N64, and a regular nintendo. Most of them are now in storage are in the hands of a relative, but it was just a point to make. I know a lot of people that have all three systems, so it is pretty silly to assume you are one of the few and are goign to have the best opinon on them.

I started out loving the XBox, but after the first year when their best games were getting constantly pushed back and just too few were being releassed in general, I learned to appreciate Nintendo's commitment to being professional. It seems too many companies these days pick an unrealalistic release date and then just push back their games as many times as they need to. Nintendo doesn't.


QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 17 2005, 04:03 PM)
Xbox sells GTA3 and vice city together in a pack for the price of one. With updated graphics. I liked both of them. Don’t care for san andreas but if it’s a big hit on PS the xbox will get it too. Everytime. They even have FF. I don’t like it. People like it because it is such an easy game but long. Its like impossible not to beat FF. its popular but I love RPGs and I don’t like it too much. I’m not gonna say it sucks but I don’t think it deserves the hype. I also love contra. They sell it at the mall. For 35 bucks you get 2 controllers. A gun and 76 games built in including Mario, pac-man, contra, duck hunt and more. A great deal. I didn’t buy one cause I don’t have the time for it but you’d probably love it.


People like FF because they are beautiful games with amazing soundtracks. You keep mentioning all these games you claim are innovative, but you don't appreciate what the Final Fantasy's bring? You have the nerve to tell people to get into the new technology when you haven't mentioned a game older than a couple years as great?

FF rewrote its own genre, and changed the others. No game had music on the level FF did when it came out. Last year their was a touring orchestra playing FF music that sold out every where it went. FF has also broke ground in storylines (most games don't even come close to the charcter development of a FF) and cinematic shots. When FF came out, a game's storyline was usually "girlfriend kidnapped, go beat up people!" or "madman has bomb, go kill thugs and him!" and usually ended in "be cool, stay in school!" FF changed all that with an amazingly deep storyline, numerous side adventures to discover, and (the series' best feature) great charcter development.

Today's games don't hold a candle to the glory days when a company couldn't fall back on marketing schemes, graphics, and violence to make a game a hit. As much as I like many of the modern games, I'll play Super Mario 3, Sonic the Hedgehog, Megaman, or Final Fantasy IV before most any game made in the last decade.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:38 AM

Some more EXPERT analysis: People can argue specs all day, my techno knowledge isn't deep enough to understand a damn thing about it anyway, plus I have a life. You should read some of these kids on the internet....bunch of losers. Anyway check out this quote, cause all that really matters is how it plays right?

http://story.news.ya...0vsplaystation3
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Much to the surprise of journalists, Sony came out with a bang at their pre-E3 conference on Monday. What started off as a dull series of generic demos and videos quickly turned into a jaw-dropping demonstration of the PlayStation 3’s capabilities -- completely overshadowing Microsoft’s subsequent Xbox 360 press event.

Sony pulled out all stops, revealing the look of the console, specs, and launch date. Slated for release in Spring 2006, the PlayStation 3 features a PowerPC-base core running at 3.2 GHz, 256MB of XDR RAM at 3.2 GHz, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM at 700 MHz, Bluetooth wireless controllers, built in WiFi (802.11b/g), and RSX, a state-of-the-art next-gen GPU by Nvidia with a clock speed of 550 MHz. Similar to the Xbox 360, the GPU is able to freely access the 512MB of RAM, lacking the constraints seen in conventional PCs. And continuing its tradition, the console is backwards compatible -- as is the Xbox 360.

While techno-geeks can ponder forever the potential ramifications of the specs, Sony spoke most clearly through its impressive demos (both tech and also of actual games), showing the potent console at work. Make no mistake: the PlayStation 3 is utterly superior in graphics to the Xbox 360 from what has been shown.

What really set the PS3 apart from the 360 was its lighting and shadow effects. The first tech demo showed light absorption and subsurface refraction, highlighting how different surfaces react differently to lighting. For example, skin reflected a warmer glow due to the light being partially absorbed, while the eyes give off a realistically glassy reflection. The lighting model was advanced enough to even show high-intensity light glowing through the body (much as you’d see when you cover a strong light source with your fingers). Game demos such as Fight Night Round 3 implemented other graphics-hog effects such as soft shadows (where shadow edges look blurry at a distance). And like the 360, the PS3 also had bloom effects, light flooding and bump mapping.

While each effect in of itself is subtle, when all combined the added ambiance is noticeably improved from what’s seen in top-end PC graphics. The PS3 also seemed to have significantly more complex polygonal models than the Xbox 360. While the 360’s rather disappointing Ghost Recon 3 looked like a minor facelift from Ghost Recon 2, Killzone on the PlayStation 3 was an eye-opener -- undoubtedly the most beautiful looking FPS game to date (Quake 3 and Half-Life 2 pale in comparison). When comparing the graphics between the 360 and the PS3, the latter has graphics that are true to the phrase "next-generation" while the 360 seems more like a respectable upgrade (say, the jump from PS One to PS2) from the original Xbox.

The main concern with the PlayStation 3, however, is the controller design. Onlookers quickly adopted the description of "boomerang" as the controller featured exaggerated curves and arcs. Disconcertingly, the buttons and d-pads are slightly tilted, recalling the sour experiences with Microsoft’s ergonomically disastrous Sidewinder. Analog thumbsticks look largely unchanged from the
PlayStation 2, another point of concern. From a surface assessment, the Xbox 360 looks to have the better controller.

On the brighter side, the design of the PS3 console itself is minimalist and sleek in an industrial, Bose sort of way. The console is convex as opposed to concave, interestingly enough -- whether or not Sony deliberately made an opposite design decision to Microsoft is unknown. While Sony and Microsoft seem to want to elicit different emotions from their console designs (Sony’s cold, brushed aluminum cool versus Microsoft’s soft and fun), Sony yet again wins out with a more aesthetically alluring console.

Although the 360 looks inferior to the PS3 in terms of sheer hardware capabilities, Microsoft’s console stands out from Sony’s with its mass-market appeal. Serving as a game console, Tivo, one-stop source for on-demand media (MP3s, movies, music), video chat service, the Xbox 360 seems far more versatile than the PS3 -- potentially drawing in a much more diverse audience. Slides even showed the console to be potentially compatible with rival electronics such as the iPod and PSP. Sony by contrast didn’t focus much on the media functionality of the console; it did show its compatibility with a whole slew of CD and DVD formats, but the PS3 doesn’t seem to have DVD burning functionality.

Microsoft’s big investment for the Xbox 360 is online with Xbox Live, and Microsoft showed itself to be better prepared for out-of-the-box network features. While a lot of the presentation rehashed what had previously been announced, J Allard also expanded on the marketplace functionality, saying that gamers can potentially sell their goods to other gamers online (custom T-shirts, car parts). Sony’s explanation of its online functionality was relatively brief, the only revelation being the use of an Eyetoy-like device for HD IP camera. While Sony may come out with more concrete information about online, for now Microsoft has shown to be more forward thinking with respect to online gaming.

Still, in the end Sony stole the attention for the day. Microsoft’s spark was clearly fizzling when it made its surprise announcement toward the end of its press event about working together with Square Enix& to bring Final Fantasy XI (of all games, one that’s already been released on PC and PS2) on the 360. Comparing that to the announcement of Final Fantasy XII being released on the PlayStation 3 (not to mention Metal Gear Solid 4 and Devil May Cry 4), it seems Japanese developers are still holding their cards closer to Sony.

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:52 AM

My thoughts on this are just like it is said: Developers are still preferring Sony. That's all that matters. Not only that but Sony creamed the Xbox with its demos, all I know is that everyone is dissapointed with Xbox's demos. Saying its practically the same as the old versions. Well that's cause MS has 0 innovation and steals everything from everyone else. They can't keep up with anyone cause they dont create anything, they just steal.

And how about this, the XBox is a multipurpose machine?!?!? I am sorry but I dont buy consoles for the multipurposes. I buy it to play video games. It seems like MS knows it can't compete so it adds a bunch of money wasted features instead of using the money where it should be, making a better console.

The ONLY reason the Xbox was better than PS2 was cause of the fact that it came out a YEAR AFTER PS2! Of course the graphics are gonna look better, look at what has happened since last year in terms of graphics. It's huge, especially when you can take a whole year to steal someone elses ideas and use better tools to create it .. anyway Sony has everyone pissing in their pants. These demos look sick! I know I am getting one....as far as what a1elbow says about Nintendo, I agree 100%. However, I dont know what their deal is. But nothing will ever top Mario or Zelda or GoldenEye!
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (a1elbow @ May 18 2005, 08:07 AM)
I'm betting a lot of people here have all there systems.  I have all three, an atari, GB (B&W, Color, and advanced), Genesis, a super nintendo, N64, and a regular nintendo.  Most of them are now in storage are in the hands of a relative, but it was just a point to make.  I know a lot of people that have all three systems, so it is pretty silly to assume you are one of the few and are goign to have the best opinon on them.

I started out loving the XBox, but after the first year when their best games were getting constantly pushed back and just too few were being releassed in general, I learned to appreciate Nintendo's commitment to being professional.  It seems too many companies these days pick an unrealalistic release date and then just push back their games as many times as they need to.  Nintendo doesn't.
People like FF because they are beautiful games with amazing soundtracks.  You keep mentioning all these games you claim are innovative, but you don't appreciate what the Final Fantasy's bring?  You have the nerve to tell people to get into the new technology when you haven't mentioned a game older than a couple years as great? 

FF rewrote its own genre, and changed the others.  No game had music on the level FF did when it came out.  Last year their was a touring orchestra playing FF music that sold out every where it went.  FF has also broke ground in storylines (most games don't even come close to the charcter development of a FF) and cinematic shots.  When FF came out, a game's storyline was usually "girlfriend kidnapped, go beat up people!" or "madman has bomb, go kill thugs and him!" and usually ended in "be cool, stay in school!"  FF changed all that with an amazingly deep storyline, numerous side adventures to discover, and (the series' best feature) great charcter development.

Today's games don't hold a candle to the glory days when a company couldn't fall back on marketing schemes, graphics, and violence to make a game a hit.  As much as I like many of the modern games, I'll play Super Mario 3, Sonic the Hedgehog, Megaman, or Final Fantasy IV before most any game made in the last decade.





I hate to tell you but halo 1 beat out FF for best soundtrack in a game and the soundtrack itself was released as a CD. Plus the graphics are way better then FF. It doesn’t do much for RPGs. I think fable did a lot more for RPGs and so did the elder scrolls series. Although the breakthrough one was probab;t the original legend of Zelda on regular Nintendo. Man I loved that game. I wasn’t big on megaman but they released all of them on one disc on the xbox for 20dollars
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:59 AM

Also I have read a bunch of BS from these kids on the internet that "Sony is lying about specs as always". Yeah whatever, I believe Sony specs over MS specs anyday of the week! Especially since Sony backed up their claims with real game demos. MS should change their initials to BS, cause there system is just a marketting tool. They dont care about good games.

My only gripe with Sony, which I hear this isn't even a set date anyway, is that it is gonna be 1 full year to get on the market. Some people are saying that the PS is gonna come out alot sooner than that, but the XBox will still be out first. That's ok with me, let MS put out a garbage machine. More people will sell it to get the PS3 and MS will have to focus more on being the shitty monopoly they are.

Oh and I forgot to add Metal Gear to the list of untoppable games. All Xbox can do is come out with some shitty Ghost Recon game that I beat in a matter of hours, and has less gameplay features than Metal Gear.
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I hate to tell you but halo 1 beat out FF for best soundtrack in a game and the soundtrack itself was released as a CD. Plus the graphics are way better then FF. It doesn’t do much for RPGs. I think fable did a lot more for RPGs and so did the elder scrolls series. Although the breakthrough one was probab;t the original legend of Zelda on regular Nintendo. Man I loved that game. I wasn’t big on megaman but they released all of them on one disc on the xbox for 20dollars


Jetsfan115, the world existed before the XBox came out. I'm not talkin about FFXI. I'm talking about FFs I-VI. I hate to tell you, but you don't know jack squat about RPGs because your opinon on them is based on recent games like Fable, Jade Empire, or the last couple FFs. There is a whole world of RPGs out there, many that were made before 1998.

The first couple Zelda's had some light RPG elements, but they certainly weren't true "RPGs." There wasn't much of a storyline and you're charcter only improved in a very rudimentary way (increase in life meter, magic meter, and not much else). The Zelda games are more of a hybrid between Action and RPG, although the more recent games have added more in depth ways to increase your charcter's power. Also, the original FF and the first Zelda were released the same year, within a month of each other, so saying Zelda was an earlier breakthrough isn't historically correct.

When you can carry on a conversation about the first five or six FFs, Eye of the Beholder, or the old PC D&D first person games you can talk down to me about RPGs. Till then, don't try and tell me what is what in RPGs.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 11:16 AM

Hey this is all you guys want to know about the new systems. No reading required . These video streams will shock and amaze some people. The microsoft link is the best one .

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Posted 18 May 2005 - 01:27 PM

I only listed the most recent. Zelda was a true RPG and the first 3 FFs sucked. Only 4 and 7 were decent. Definitely not revolutionary. The same choice menu. A hybrid was more like parasite eve not Zelda. Zelda had the right idea. FF bores you too much. D&D were great RPGs as well but the newer ones sucked. And I never played eye of the beholder. Like I said I had almost every system since calico. Minus sega Saturn and dreamcast. I’ll name all the ones I had. Calico, Atari, Nintendo, super Nintendo, sega genisis, PS1, Nintendo 64, GC, PS2, and xbox. I know RPGs. FF might be popular now only because what else does PS2 have? That’s why. Its like the only RPG for play station. That’s why its popular. If I didn’t have a choice I would play it too.
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