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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:04 PM

Woodley, Spencer and Moss all sound like pretty similar players. I can't see them taking two guys who have the same game. If they got Moss in the first, I don't see them going after Woodley or Spencer in the second.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:08 PM

some teams do use a Defense like that tho where they come out with one huge DT and everyone else plays as a linebacker.........i think the steeler used it and the ravens definitely use it so your not wrong its just primarily as pass defense D......... its an interesting idea
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

I love this mock but we don't need 2 scatbacks. Irons in a dumb pick. Moss and francis are amazing picks. I'd be happy
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.

now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (jhsensation10 @ Jan 18 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.

now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.


That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT


The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...

Or...if no Marshawn for caney...

1 - Jarvis Moss - OLB
2a - Greg Olsen - TE
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
5 - Nate Ilaoa - RB
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 18 2007, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...


its ok if marshawn is gone by our pick because that means we should get micheal bush. he was a monster in 2005 and had a nose for the endzone. it was like 2, 3, 4 TDs each game. he basically was the shaun alexander of the NCAA in 2005 when he scored 2 TDs each game and always got it in on the ground when it was inside the 10 yard line. thats what we need so badly. how many times does chad move the ball 60 yards into the redzone and we have to settle for 3?? its not like we have a 6'6 receiver that he can throw fade routes to. we have to run ball there, and with no real inside threat at RB, why honor the playaction that chad will try to use to freeze the LBs? bush and washington will be a superb combo, the same type as deuce and reggie, where it's thunder and lightning and both/either cannot be stopped.

like you said, alama-francis would be a project and i am not saying that carriker wouldn't be but we need someone to step in immediately and make the line stronger. talk to you later kimo and say hello to carriker hopefully. carriker is probably the closest to starting material that you can get from a rookie, and should fit in quite nicely in the 3-4.

i agree that it will be tough for moss/woodley/spencer to fall to our 2nd 2nd rounder. but there are a billions OLBs tweeners in this draft. (all these players are under 270) we have adams, moses, crowder, abiamiri, atkins. one of them is bound to fall to #57 since all 8 of them can't go top 57, since they are a mix between a DE and OLB, not to mention players we do not even know about yet. plus, we can always just go Oline with our 2nd 2nd rounder, with someone like aaron sears who is huge, if they are all gone. we are going to need to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an Olineman so i wouldn't mind it being our 2nd 2nd rounder.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:47 PM

If we get Kenny Irons I would be pissed, I dont like him at all, he may be good but he is almost the same thing that Washington is, a speed back. I dont think that Irons will be a work horse, I would only take Lynch and Bush, I would only take Bush in the 2nd round though.

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 18 2007, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...

Or...if no Marshawn for caney...

1 - Jarvis Moss - OLB
2a - Greg Olsen - TE
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
5 - Nate Ilaoa - RB

If Francis is a developmental prospect, then we can go out and sign Cory Redding from the FA to be a starter right now, he is 6-4 around 290, plays DT/DE, he would be good for the 3-4, he had 8 sacks this year from DT. Then we can have Franchis who would be Ellis replacement. I defintley do think that we need a OLB though, Hobson isnt good enough. He is overrated, he doesnt get off blocks well enough, he may be a good ILB, but I really dont know, and I think that Barton still has some good years and Barton is a player I really like, he has alot of energy and is a team leader and a hard hitter. He brings some nastyness to the LB corps. Thomas is a lock to start at one OLB, he like locks his side of the field up. He is good at getting off blocks and has long arms to keep the OTs off of him. Hobson doesnt have long arms so its harder for him to. I watched alot of the games over to look at certain postions, and Hobson's sacks came from when he blitzes around the guys when the blocks are all taken up, when he gets a OT in his face its hard for him to apply pressure. I like Hobson, but just dont feel that safe with him at OLB, I dont want us to lock him up yet. Wait another year, lock Rhodes and Cotchery up this year. The one thing I do like about Hobson is that when he does come flying in he hits the QB hard! The 2 most talented LBs we have though are Vilma and Thomas. Thomas looks to be a real good player, he has speed, height, long arms, smarts. I think though with NT, we have to answer that through the draft, try and get Hollis Thomas who is my first choice, hes the NT from the Saints, hes a UFA. Or go and get Sands, who I really dont like that much, but he has size. My problem with Sands is when we played them, he stands straight up all the time, maybe if he came here our coaches are more disaplined then theirs. His technique is horrible, our guys moved him because he stood straight up all the time.
Also, getting off of defense here, with one of our first 4 picks, we should take a OG. We need offensive line help, and I wouldnt want to be too Bradway and Herman with not taking o-linemen till the 2nd day. Unless we go out and sign Dielmen or Steinbach from the UFAs.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:55 PM

I'm trying to figure out his pick in Irons. He's 5'11 203lbs Leon is virtually the same back. I'm trying to decipher his understand with this pick. Why would he have us taking him when we have Leon Washington.

Moss as an OLB is an awesome pick and Francis as a developmental project is another good pick. I just wonder about the Irons pick though.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (jhsensation10 @ Jan 18 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.
now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.

I do agree, thats the only signing I really want. I think Samuel is a need, because our CBs dont give good enough coverage, and thats how the blitzes dont work all the time. Dyson was our best CB this year, and our only legit starter, we need a #1 CB though, and Samuel is getting close to shut down, he just keeps getting better, I do think hes worth the money. I know how they want to build through the draft, but sometimes you have to make signings like these, it helps us in 2 ways, #1 gives us a #1 CB and one that knows the defense, no learning curve. Plus brings a hard hitting mantality in, the guys a beast! #2. Takes another player away from the Pats, they cant keep losing players and expect to win every year, signing him would be a big loss for them, they may put the franchise tag on him, because they know if they lose him, they have no one to replace him, Hobbs sucks! Patriot fans seem to think he is good, but hes the one we pick on all the time, our WRs continue to beat him everytime.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 18 2007, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm trying to figure out his pick in Irons. He's 5'11 203lbs Leon is virtually the same back. I'm trying to decipher his understand with this pick. Why would he have us taking him when we have Leon Washington.

Moss as an OLB is an awesome pick and Francis as a developmental project is another good pick. I just wonder about the Irons pick though.


these are mock draft gurus who do not actually know as much as we may know about our own team. they have to do the mock in congruence with player rankings and team needs. yes, OLB, RB, and DE are the needs of our team but they do not take into account the fact that Dline is our primary need. the need of an OLB is actually after our need for a power back. all they do is see that moss will be available at #25 and since the jets need an OLB, they take him. same thing with the irons pick but they do not think about the fact that we already have a speed back, and we need a bruiser. thats why it doesn't make sense to us but that is what they are doing. then they fill the void at DE with a player i've never heard of in francis. i do not want another developmental player on our Dline. the line is the most important part of the game and cannot be a position you can interchange players with. these have to be your best and core players in order to win. look at kimo this year. there was a reason the steelers let him go. he sucks. i would actually be pissed off with this draft if we essentially waste 2 picks and make a selection in moss that is more luxury than need.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:28 PM

QUOTE (jhsensation10 @ Jan 18 2007, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its ok if marshawn is gone by our pick because that means we should get micheal bush. he was a monster in 2005 and had a nose for the endzone. it was like 2, 3, 4 TDs each game. he basically was the shaun alexander of the NCAA in 2005 when he scored 2 TDs each game and always got it in on the ground when it was inside the 10 yard line. thats what we need so badly. how many times does chad move the ball 60 yards into the redzone and we have to settle for 3?? its not like we have a 6'6 receiver that he can throw fade routes to. we have to run ball there, and with no real inside threat at RB, why honor the playaction that chad will try to use to freeze the LBs? bush and washington will be a superb combo, the same type as deuce and reggie, where it's thunder and lightning and both/either cannot be stopped.

like you said, alama-francis would be a project and i am not saying that carriker wouldn't be but we need someone to step in immediately and make the line stronger. talk to you later kimo and say hello to carriker hopefully. carriker is probably the closest to starting material that you can get from a rookie, and should fit in quite nicely in the 3-4.

i agree that it will be tough for moss/woodley/spencer to fall to our 2nd 2nd rounder. but there are a billions OLBs tweeners in this draft. (all these players are under 270) we have adams, moses, crowder, abiamiri, atkins. one of them is bound to fall to #57 since all 8 of them can't go top 57, since they are a mix between a DE and OLB, not to mention players we do not even know about yet. plus, we can always just go Oline with our 2nd 2nd rounder, with someone like aaron sears who is huge, if they are all gone. we are going to need to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an Olineman so i wouldn't mind it being our 2nd 2nd rounder.


And it's not all players under 270...Woodley can do it but he has exceptional agility and speed for his weight. But most guys over 270 couldn't be OLB's for us...

For instance...you listed Crowder and Atkins...none of those guys could be OLB's for us. Crowder doesn't really have a position in the 3-4. He's a 4-3 DE...that's it. Crowder isn't even that good of a pass rusher...

Baraka Atkins is a DE in the 3-4. If you've ever actually seen the guy...not even play...just physically seen the man...you would never call him a linebacker. He has played both DE and DT at Miami...and would likely make a fantastic DE in a 3-4 scheme.

I really view Jarvis Moss, LaMarr Woodley, and Anthony Spencer as the top 3-4 OLB candidates. And of course Gaines Adams and Quentin Moses...but we likely won't have a shot at them...definitely not Adams atleast. Victor Abiamiri might be able to make the switch...but I think he's better off as a 4-3 DE. If we can't get one of those top 3...why bother? We already have a servicable guy in Hobson...so why waist a pick unless he's going to be an upgrade over Hobson?
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 11:03 AM

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If we get Kenny Irons I would be pissed, I dont like him at all, he may be good but he is almost the same thing that Washington is, a speed back. I dont think that Irons will be a work horse, I would only take Lynch and Bush, I would only take Bush in the 2nd round though.
If Francis is a developmental prospect, then we can go out and sign Cory Redding from the FA to be a starter right now, he is 6-4 around 290, plays DT/DE, he would be good for the 3-4, he had 8 sacks this year from DT. Then we can have Franchis who would be Ellis replacement. I defintley do think that we need a OLB though, Hobson isnt good enough. He is overrated, he doesnt get off blocks well enough, he may be a good ILB, but I really dont know, and I think that Barton still has some good years and Barton is a player I really like, he has alot of energy and is a team leader and a hard hitter. He brings some nastyness to the LB corps. Thomas is a lock to start at one OLB, he like locks his side of the field up. He is good at getting off blocks and has long arms to keep the OTs off of him. Hobson doesnt have long arms so its harder for him to. I watched alot of the games over to look at certain postions, and Hobson's sacks came from when he blitzes around the guys when the blocks are all taken up, when he gets a OT in his face its hard for him to apply pressure. I like Hobson, but just dont feel that safe with him at OLB, I dont want us to lock him up yet. Wait another year, lock Rhodes and Cotchery up this year. The one thing I do like about Hobson is that when he does come flying in he hits the QB hard! The 2 most talented LBs we have though are Vilma and Thomas. Thomas looks to be a real good player, he has speed, height, long arms, smarts. I think though with NT, we have to answer that through the draft, try and get Hollis Thomas who is my first choice, hes the NT from the Saints, hes a UFA. Or go and get Sands, who I really dont like that much, but he has size. My problem with Sands is when we played them, he stands straight up all the time, maybe if he came here our coaches are more disaplined then theirs. His technique is horrible, our guys moved him because he stood straight up all the time.
Also, getting off of defense here, with one of our first 4 picks, we should take a OG. We need offensive line help, and I wouldnt want to be too Bradway and Herman with not taking o-linemen till the 2nd day. Unless we go out and sign Dielmen or Steinbach from the UFAs.
#1 guy I want in the draft if he falls is Okoye! He would be nice to get!


I agree with the Irons point as he flat out struggled this past season after being predicted by some to be a surefire 1st rounder at the beginning of the year. Now I'd rank him behind Bush despite his injury as well as possibly Antonio Pitmann of Ohio State. I watched the Aubrun-LSU game at the start of the college season and Irons kept getting stuffed (he had 25 carries for just 70 yards).

On the Redding point I doubt it would be worth drafting Abiamiri and signing Redding as Redding wouldn't want to go to a team where he is just a stop gap and that will factor into his decision over which team to sign for as he will most likely get a long term deal wherever he goes. Plus he won't come cheap at all.

At LB I thought Hobson had a good year this year and that he was our 2nd best LB behind Thomas throughout the season but I agree he isn't suited to be a 3-4 OLB and he would be better off playing inside alongside Vilma but with Barton still there for now, there has been little rumour saying one of the two will go in the offseason, I doubt Hobson gets moved inside where he will most likely become a backup.

Hollis Thomas is a good player but is small for a 3-4 NT as he is listed at 6'0 306 lbs which is smaller than DRob plus will Mangini and Tannenbaum take a flyer on someone who was suspended for 4 games for a positive steroids test that Thomas stated was a treatment for asthma. The fact he served the ban kind of suggests the excuse didn't hold too much weight as surely he would have gone through the league to ensure the product was ok to use as is standard procedure in other sports. The league would have either gave him permission to use it at the start of the year despite it's contents if he had declared it to the league as medication.

The great thing about this offseason is that there are less holes on the team than there were last year which allows us to have more freedom in the way we go about filling holes as the cap situation is also much better. This offseason should be fun and interesting, which should create a lot of talking points. cool2.gif
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:54 PM

I don't agree with Kenny Irons. If we do go RB there, I'm sure it will be someone with a bit more size to compliment Leon.
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