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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) it all comes down to this
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) David ha ha Nelson is a bum
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) why didn't they talk about Kyle Fuler when torched for 51 yards by Salas?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Bullshit
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) f***
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How the f*** is that not interference
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) That's flag 101 never looking back and pushing the WR
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How is that not PI?
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Never looked for the ball for a second
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) Fuck this game fuck the refs fuck this team fuck the season. I'm over this shit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) That's bullshit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:43 PM) On the bright side we get to play Detroit, San Diego, NE and denver in our next 4 games
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:44 PM) Oh look the refs gave the Jets another timeout. A timeout the Jets didn't even have. SMDH
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Until we get rid of geno smith we are going nowhere. Bottom line. Dude is more erratic than romo
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) I'm really not feeling Geno Smith.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Or any other QB in the league. Trade for Sanchez Now!
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) We'd be 3-0 with Sanchez
SokeSleezy Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Geno's needs to work on his accuracy,Stafford gonna kill us next week smh
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Yeah gonna go with a good old f*** Geno this week. He is still playing better than last year though
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) People saying Sanchez sucks keep in mind he never had a chance to play in morningwegs system. He was held back by shottenheimer
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:47 PM) This team will never have a franchise QB. We can't draft them and when we sign or trade for them, they're past their primes.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) well
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) Because we destoy any promise in our young QBs with our elite offensive support talent.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) another game next week
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 3-0 with Sanchez? Oh god...we've gone there already?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) jets need more talent on O
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) and some god damn DBs
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) Morninweg's system is get the offense going then throw a monkey wrench into things by putting the backup QB in there and f***ing up the offense's rhythm.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:50 PM) Yes I went there. Geno spots these teams 7-10 points weekly and has turned the ball in the redzone 3 games in a row. If not for 2 dropped ints geno would have 4 picks. Dude sucks at best
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:51 PM) Then we got Chris ivory running like marshawn lynch out there and they sit him on the bench the whole fourth quarter
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) I'd like to use the same excuse I used for Sanchez. QB can't really do shit when your best WR would be a #3 if he was lucky on any other team
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) yeah but sanchez was shell shcoked
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) jets werent fixing him
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) Geno will be to after another year or two of this shit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) What's kerleys contract like
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) because if he's underpaid I don't see him sticking around
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) he only looks good because our O is so bad.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) I bet a lot of teams have their eye on him
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:56 PM) Decker doesn't need to play until he is completely healthy
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:58 PM) FIRE IDZIK
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:08 PM) How big was the Sheldon Richardson fumble recovery not being a TD. We quickly went three and out after that
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 PM) Idzik better not be stingy this offseason and address the biggest issues we have WR and Secondary
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:47 PM) King mo says he's ok, injury is minor
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 09:21 AM) As a guy who has been on this site since its inception and is still not a moderator which I guess is cause I'm not part of the rat pack who runs this joint I think GENO should still be the starter.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:56 AM

what i learned from watching the ravens-colts game is that in the AFC its not enough to have a great Defense (and OMG the Colts suddenly have the best D in the league from out of no where) You also need a great QB who can not only manage the game for you but win them also.....Manning couldnt score a TD but he lead them on the most important drive of the game thats w hy im hoping this Clemens kid wins out this starting QB job...as much as i love Pennington being a game manager it isnt enough in the AFC....look at all the teams left...the two things they have in common is great D and pro bowl QB's.....where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....this Clemens kid is the future and hopefully he'll bring us the spark that Pennington gave us when he overtook Testaverde
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 12:09 PM

I think you're a bit late. We are tired of talking about Chad at this point. I can't even bring myself to say his name anymore I'm referring to him as C.P from now on.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 14 2007, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....

How does this statement make any sense? You admit that the team has room for improvement, then say that Chad has taken us as far as he can take us. The fact is that the team will get much better and when they do, they will go farther. You can't put the loss on Chad, the whole team got roughed up.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:44 PM

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How does this statement make any sense? You admit that the team has room for improvement, then say that Chad has taken us as far as he can take us. The fact is that the team will get much better and when they do, they will go farther. You can't put the loss on Chad, the whole team got roughed up.




It only doesnt make sense if you take what you want out of what i said...............Chad doesnt make the entire team so the rest of the team can improve with him improving....... but we got no chance to win anything with him as our QB period................steve mcnair was the worst QB in the playoffs by far and had won an MVP 3 years ago for crying out loud
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:29 PM

From watching these playoffs, I haven't seen anything special at the QB position. The only real good game I saw was Tom Brady vs the Jets but all the other games, I have seen QBs miss wide open WRs, throw plenty of picks, lay out WRs. Hopefully now that Jets fans can watch other games other then the Jets, we can realize that no QB is perfect and Pennington isn't as bad as people on this site think he is.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 14 2007, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what i learned from watching the ravens-colts game is that in the AFC its not enough to have a great Defense (and OMG the Colts suddenly have the best D in the league from out of no where) You also need a great QB who can not only manage the game for you but win them also.....Manning couldnt score a TD but he lead them on the most important drive of the game thats w hy im hoping this Clemens kid wins out this starting QB job...as much as i love Pennington being a game manager it isnt enough in the AFC....look at all the teams left...the two things they have in common is great D and pro bowl QB's.....where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....this Clemens kid is the future and hopefully he'll bring us the spark that Pennington gave us when he overtook Testaverde


This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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I apologize in advance for continuing. I love Chad. Many teams would love to have him, some as a starter. The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. The saying "QB X is good when the running game is working and the defense is playing well" is a nice way of saying the QB is not great. I remember watching the jets play against Marino. The lead was never big enough; I was always scared that Marino would bring Miami back. There are only a few guys who scared me like that Manning is another. It seems like a lot of ex and current players who always seemed to be at their best against the Jets. Willis McGahee is one of those guys. Sorry off topic
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 08:16 PM

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The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind.


The lack of arm strength would be another short fall. He can't drive a team down the field, he isn't worth starting.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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Well put.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 10:59 PM

I think a playmaker would do well in the afc
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:08 PM

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I think a playmaker would do well in the afc

no brad no smith looks good guys maybe he's becoming a real poster

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:29 AM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.
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yea give chad the bears D and we definitely would be in the superbowl..............yea right!..............if Jets played in the NFC maybe, but in the AFC they would have still lost with the bears D........Bears IMO dont even have the best D in the league the ravens do (and they're out) and they have been playing pretty bad of late and all that talk about Best D ever stopped back in what? week 6? ..........you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............I love chad just as much as the next jet fan and he is the 2nd best QB in franchise history but if he doesnt even have the ability to bring us back from a deficit "The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. "
he doesnt belong starting for any team who wants to win the superbowl.....if you want to win the superbowl you have to be able bring your team back period........end of story.....bring in Clemens
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:21 AM

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yea give chad the bears D and we definitely would be in the superbowl..............yea right!..............if Jets played in the NFC maybe, but in the AFC they would have still lost with the bears D........Bears IMO dont even have the best D in the league the ravens do (and they're out) and they have been playing pretty bad of late and all that talk about Best D ever stopped back in what? week 6? ..........you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............I love chad just as much as the next jet fan and he is the 2nd best QB in franchise history but if he doesnt even have the ability to bring us back from a deficit "The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. "
he doesnt belong starting for any team who wants to win the superbowl.....if you want to win the superbowl you have to be able bring your team back period........end of story.....bring in Clemens


Correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a great D and balanced offense there aren't many times you have to come from behind and the Bears rarely had to do so this year.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (BradSmith16 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think a playmaker would do well in the afc

I wonder who that would be......
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 15 2007, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............

How exactly have Chads skills declined? His arm looked no stronger or weaker this year then it ever has. And how has Clemens proved anything? He's done nothing but ride the bench. Have you been to every practice the Jets held this year and seen that Clemens is a far superior QB to Chad? And if he is, then why hasn't mangini started him already? Well I got news for you. Chad will most definitely win the starting job again in TC. I guess you'll have to sit there and pout all season long, or until Chad gets injured.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 02:01 PM

Maybe because the O-line needed time, there is a reason why Mangini puts Clemens in at the junk time during the 4th over Ramsey. Because Clemens needs to get acclimated to the NFL.
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