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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 10:09 AM) BREAKING NEWS: Santana is a jinx during JETS games
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 11:40 AM) HUGE game today
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 11:40 AM) Santana PLEASE refrain from entering the BanterBox cause you are a JINX
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Mehlfan @ Jan 21 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think that prioritizes the needs on O and would allow everyone to succeed more .

but , at some point they have to add to the TE position for depth and competition . Baker should do better .


Correction...Baker will do better.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 21 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correction...Baker will do better.


i think you're right . what i meant by should is that her appears to be needed to be pushed more .

but i also think that he's lacking in fire and i don't trust him and i wonder if the coaches do fully either . but he certainly showed signs at the end .
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:21 AM

Like you say the oline should be solidified in FA......when you have a player who can be a great you have to take that player especially b/c we will only use a 2nd rounder to get him.........if we get him he'd make our passing attack that much more dangerous,,,,,O bye the way did anyone see Dallas Clark had today...............but who needs great TE's right............you guys almost had me on that boat but i've seen what the difference between good and great......but who needs great players right?
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 22 2007, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like you say the oline should be solidified in FA......when you have a player who can be a great you have to take that player especially b/c we will only use a 2nd rounder to get him.........if we get him he'd make our passing attack that much more dangerous,,,,,O bye the way did anyone see Dallas Clark had today...............but who needs great TE's right............you guys almost had me on that boat but i've seen what the difference between good and great......but who needs great players right?


You mean what did Peyton Manning do? Or Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? Or Addai and Rhodes? Or how about the Indy offensive line...

Yeah if Chris Baker had that supporting cast something tells me he'd be just as good if not better than Dallas Clark...

They have almost identical height and weight...and Clark's best year was 488 yards. Baker's best if 300. Clark has scored 5 TD's in one season...Baker has scored 4.

Now if you put Dallas Clark on the Jets...something tells me his numbers would drop significantly. Clark rarely ever blocks in Indy, and is always out running routes. To say Clark has a slight QB advantage would be a crime. You just can't compare them...except their measurables...which Baker probably wins out in anyway...

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 19 2007, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
elite TE's in this league right now: gonzalez, heap, shockey, gates, crumpler, witten

the lowest recieving yards among all those guys is 626 and he played 15 games
Baker started all 16 games and had 300 recieving yards.
crumpler had the least receptions out of all those guys and 56
baker had 31 receptions
Out of all those guys gonzalez had the least TD's at 5 in 15 games
Baker had 4 TD's in 16 games


Sorry to chime in so late here, but you really are making an argument against your point here. Yes the statistics you listed are all correct..but the whole point here is that Baker is underutilized. If you took any of your "elite" players above and only threw them 40 balls..trust me, they would have the same numbers as Baker. In fact maybe even worse.

Baker had 4 TD grabs in only 31 receptions. Im sure thats one of the best ratios amongst all the TEs above. Not to mention its actually 5 TDs. (cleveland)

Baker has shown that he can play at a higher level...evidenced by the fact that he has caught for over 100 yards in a game. He has shown that he can find open space in the field. Its just a matter of under utilization plain and simple. Its possible though that Schotts eyes opened slightly and the level of his play calling may have taken a step up in the Pats game when he realized Baker was on the field. Maybe this will carry over into next year...maybe.

Back to the original point of the topic though...if for some reason one of these guys takes a tremendous slide down the draft, I would certainly consider taking them. I am a firm believer that the 3rd round and beyond is reserved for taking the best athlete available.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 22 2007, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean what did Peyton Manning do? Or Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? Or Addai and Rhodes? Or how about the Indy offensive line...

Yeah if Chris Baker had that supporting cast something tells me he'd be just as good if not better than Dallas Clark...

They have almost identical height and weight...and Clark's best year was 488 yards. Baker's best if 300. Clark has scored 5 TD's in one season...Baker has scored 4.

Now if you put Dallas Clark on the Jets...something tells me his numbers would drop significantly. Clark rarely ever blocks in Indy, and is always out running routes. To say Clark has a slight QB advantage would be a crime. You just can't compare them...except their measurables...which Baker probably wins out in anyway...

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what does height and weight have to do with anything? Almost every TE have the same height and weight.........do you actually now how many times Baker blocks or are just pulling this out of somewhere? And have you watched every colts game to say the same about clark ........i can understand people who defend chad but Really please hop off Chris Baker's Meat. The guy is nothing more than a no.2 TE. He has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he can be an elite TE or even hang with somebody like dallas clark......And to say Peyton is the better overall QB than Chad but he did look like CHAD against the pats..he wasnt great all playoffs all he did was manage games..clark mad amazing catches...dallas clark was proving he could play even when he was a rookie....and you even want to suggest that chris baker can be as good as him in his 6th year?... hysterical.gif ...please take that crap some where else

QUOTE (Pennington @ Jan 22 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to chime in so late here, but you really are making an argument against your point here. Yes the statistics you listed are all correct..but the whole point here is that Baker is underutilized. If you took any of your "elite" players above and only threw them 40 balls..trust me, they would have the same numbers as Baker. In fact maybe even worse.

Baker had 4 TD grabs in only 31 receptions. Im sure thats one of the best ratios amongst all the TEs above. Not to mention its actually 5 TDs. (cleveland)

Baker has shown that he can play at a higher level...evidenced by the fact that he has caught for over 100 yards in a game. He has shown that he can find open space in the field. Its just a matter of under utilization plain and simple. Its possible though that Schotts eyes opened slightly and the level of his play calling may have taken a step up in the Pats game when he realized Baker was on the field. Maybe this will carry over into next year...maybe.

Back to the original point of the topic though...if for some reason one of othese guys takes a tremendous slide down the draft, I would certainly consider taking them. I am a firm believer that the 3rd round and beyond is reserved for taking the best athlete available.



Bottom line if you were a GM and you had the chance to take a Guy in the 2nd rd who had the chance to be great and still have a decent no.2 TE in chris baker what would you do? And doug Jolley has had 100 games but nobody would believe he can be great
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 22 2007, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what does height and weight have to do with anything? Almost every TE have the same height and weight.........do you actually now how many times Baker blocks or are just pulling this out of somewhere? And have you watched every colts game to say the same about clark ........i can understand people who defend chad but Really please hop off Chris Baker's Meat. The guy is nothing more than a no.2 TE. He has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he can be an elite TE or even hang with somebody like dallas clark......And to say Peyton is the better overall QB than Chad but he did look like CHAD against the pats..he wasnt great all playoffs all he did was manage games..clark mad amazing catches...dallas clark was proving he could play even when he was a rookie....and you even want to suggest that chris baker can be as good as him in his 6th year?... hysterical.gif ...please take take that crap some where else
Bottom line if you were a GM and you had the chance to take a Guy in the 2nd rd who had the chance to be great and still have a decent no.2 TE in chris baker what would you do? And doug Jolley has had 100 games but nobody would believe he can be great


It depends what other players were available on the board such as RBs, OLBs, DEs and NTs because with the depth in this draft class there is surely going to be someone available in the 2nd that will fill one of these needs and not be considered a reach. To be honest I'd prioritise a 3rd WR above TE if McCareins likely shown the door.
Baker doesn't deserve to be a #2 TE and he showed this year that if utilized more, he can be an above average starter.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 04:12 PM

I have watched A LOT of colts games. I have seen nothing to make me think that Dallas Clark is any better than Chris Baker. Dallas Clark has been starting for almost 4 full years for the best offense in the NFL over that span. He plays in an offense where you basically need to have legs to succeed. He spends little of his time blocking and runs far more routes than Chris Baker. Chris Baker, meanwhile, has been starting for two years, during which he has spent much of his time blocking. If Chris Baker played on the colts, he would be at least as successful as Dallas Clark.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 22 2007, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Get out of my house.


i actually laughed out loud with that... hahahahah
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