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Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
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Is It Just Me? Or Is This A Weak Draft Class?

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:00 PM

look at the past few years

2002
1 david carr
2 julius peppers
3 joey harrington
4 mike williams
5 quentin jammer

3 busts, 1 por bolwer, 1 solid

2003
1 carson palmer
2 charles rogers
3 andre johnson
4 dewayne robertson
5 terrance newman

1 bust, 1 solid, 3 pro bolwers.

2004
1 eli manning
2 robert gallery
3 larry fitzgerald
4 phillip rivers
5 sean taylor

1 bust, 1 borderline bust, 3 pro bolwers

2005
1 alex smith
2 ronnie brown
3 braylon edwards
4 cedric benson
5 cadillac williams

2006
1 mario williams
2 reggie bush
3 vince young
4 d'brickashaw furgeson
5 AJ Hawk

most of those players had huge hype and were the nexy somebody. now look at the top 5 prospects this year

1 calvin johnson
2 joe thomas
3 brady quinn
4 JaMarcus russell
5 Adrian peterson

other then calvin johnson there sint' much hype about any of the other guys. thoughts?
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:27 PM

i think it is very strong
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:28 PM

no wayyyyy is this class weak.........it has one of the best wr classes in the last decade an incredibly deep pool of rb and is full of potential studs on Defense........other than CB this draft is very strong
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:33 PM

i think the draft is week in star power there isnt a lot of big time stars like young, bush and leinart
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

its not as hyped because when you hype a guy and it doesnt turn out
then you look like an idiot

russell and quinn are both hyped and peterson is a monster





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Posted 27 January 2007 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 27 2007, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no wayyyyy is this class weak.........it has one of the best wr classes in the last decade an incredibly deep pool of rb and is full of potential studs on Defense........other than CB this draft is very strong


I agree this is a very strong class. Almost every category has star potential. RB,LB,DE,DB there are lots of potential early and late rounds in all these categorys.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 05:54 PM

Yeah I can't help ya here jetsfan115...this draft is solid. It may not have the top 10 of last year with guy's like Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw, AJ Hawk, etc. But who cares about top 10...we ain't picking there. It is much deeper...much...much...MUCH deeper than last year! As someone else pointed out this is one of the best WR's classes...possibly ever. You can easily get a great, instant starter at WR in the 3rd round...it is honestly that deep!!!

The QB class is pretty deep...it doesn't have the frontliner's like Young, Leinart, and Cutler...but not many drafts do.

RB is really the only weakness in this class that I see...other than that we can walk away with some good talent this year.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 05:57 PM

Yeah a top 5 doesnt show the strength of a draft class. Its how good the players are in later rounds and the depth

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 27 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah I can't help ya here jetsfan115...this draft is solid. It may not have the top 10 of last year with guy's like Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw, AJ Hawk, etc. But who cares about top 10...we ain't picking there. It is much deeper...much...much...MUCH deeper than last year! As someone else pointed out this is one of the best WR's classes...possibly ever. You can easily get a great, instant starter at WR in the 3rd round...it is honestly that deep!!!

The QB class is pretty deep...it doesn't have the frontliner's like Young, Leinart, and Cutler...but not many drafts do.

RB is really the only weakness in this class that I see...other than that we can walk away with some good talent this year.


thats kinda what i'm saying. there ins't teh star power of recent classes with reggie bush, lienart, young, cutler, rivers, hawk, brick, super mario, palmer, etc. this year has calvin johnson and thats it.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 27 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats kinda what i'm saying. there ins't teh star power of recent classes with reggie bush, lienart, young, cutler, rivers, hawk, brick, super mario, palmer, etc. this year has calvin johnson and thats it.


Well I'll agree with that...it isn't as strong at the top...but it has much more depth. And when we're picking at 25 or 25 ??? we're going to want the depth.

However, there still is star talent...

Calvin Johnson - One of the best WR prospect's ever.

Joe Thomas - Many think he's a better prospect than D'Brick was.

Adrian Peterson - The best pure running back to come out of the draft in years...Eric Dickerson clone.

Alan Branch - Amazing combo of huge size and athleticism.

Amobi Okoye
- We all know the story of the 19 year old senior.

JaMarcus Russell - Probably has the strongest arm of anyone in any level of football...I can't think of a pro with a better arm...now combine that with his 6'6" 260 pound body that runs a 4.7...and you've got one hell of a QB!

So no...not the same star talent as last year...but it is a hell of a lot better than most years in my opinion!
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 06:36 PM

this class has star potential......if i had to take a choice between bush and peterson i would take peterson in heart beat.........joe thomas is said to be even better than D-Brick.........Quinn and Leinart have the same pro potential coming out of college......theres about 3 guys who could be better prospect than mario williams....williams was top 10 before the combine but shot up after because of his measurables.....there are DE's with that potential in this draft........wr isnt even close.......their isnt any vince young or jay cutler in this draft.........but you could get guys in the 2nd or 3rd round who might be just as good.......troy smith, drew stanton
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 07:12 PM

The QB I like who I think will be a 1st rounder now, is Drew Stanton. I think that he earned the #3 QB taken in this draft. If we needed a QB of the future, I would defintely want to draft him at #25. The guy has a big arm, acurate, and is very mobile. He did really good at the Senior Bowl today. In my opinion, hes the 3rd best QB in the draft. Behind, Russell and Quinn.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 09:00 AM

Ask me again in five years, homie.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 27 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats kinda what i'm saying. there ins't teh star power of recent classes with reggie bush, lienart, young, cutler, rivers, hawk, brick, super mario, palmer, etc. this year has calvin johnson and thats it.


I cant see how u say calvin johnson and thats it...keep in mind if AP didnt go down last year and half of this year he would have bigger hype than reggie bush comeing out and would be the only other player besides archie to win two hiesmans...i think he wouldve been more dominant than bush last year..bottem line is whoever gets AP whether its #1 or #31 is getting a steal because he once in a generation type back
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (RetireChrebet @ Jan 28 2007, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant see how u say calvin johnson and thats it...keep in mind if AP didnt go down last year and half of this year he would have bigger hype than reggie bush comeing out and would be the only other player besides archie to win two hiesmans...i think he wouldve been more dominant than bush last year..bottem line is whoever gets AP whether its #1 or #31 is getting a steal because he once in a generation type back


AP won a Heisman? When did that happen?
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 28 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
AP won a Heisman? When did that happen?


He was second to Leinart in 2004. He's never won it.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:04 PM

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He was second to Leinart in 2004. He's never won it.


I'm aware, that's why I'm wondering if I misunderstood the comment. Either way, AP is gonna be a bad ass. I'm not sure how much I really like the rest of this years RB class. The only RB I really like is Michael Bush. He's huge, he's fast enough to break away, he's powerful, he's got a really good nose for the endzone. Those are good qualities to have in a RB.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 28 2007, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm aware, that's why I'm wondering if I misunderstood the comment. Either way, AP is gonna be a bad ass. I'm not sure how much I really like the rest of this years RB class. The only RB I really like is Michael Bush. He's huge, he's fast enough to break away, he's powerful, he's got a really good nose for the endzone. Those are good qualities to have in a RB.


I think a Bush-Washington backfield would be super as you have two home run threats as both have breakaway speed whilst Bush can use his size and power to really wear down the defense and then Washington can come in and take it to the house around the outside. Washington isn't a back who excels running between the tackles constantly but he can turn the corner with his speed. It can work vice versa too as Washington can do like Tiki Barber did and get the ball inside the five for Bush to punch it in down near the goalline. It would give us a more multi-dimensional backfield.
With a guy like Cedric Houston, he is a powerful back but we have to rely on Washington to break a big gain which tires Washington out as he already takes the bulk of the carries. With Bush and Washington though you would have a good backfield where a 50-50 share of the carries could work wonders.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 28 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
AP won a Heisman? When did that happen?


i said if he didnt get hurt in 05' and 06' then i believe he wouldve won both
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 10:25 AM

If this draft is so deep then we need to start shipping some of these pricks out and getting picks.

pricks for picks...I like that, mcareins and all the rest of em..
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