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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:33 AM

A CASSEL CAVEAT
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2008, 8:25 a.m.

Of the teams that receive mentions in the ongoing discussion regarding the 2009 destination of Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel, the Jets present the most intriguing possibility.

The defection of Cassel from the Pats to the Jets would further that whole Fredo vibe thatís going on between the franchises, and it would create some potentially intriguing Brady vs. Cassel battles, twice per year.

But thereís an important thing to keep in mind as the coming free agency period approaches: The Jets currently have the worst cap situation of any NFL team for the coming league year.

Even if quarterback Brett Favre retires after 2008, which would free up $13 million in cap space, past contracts are expected to create significant problems via the achievement of incentives and escalators by various players.

Whenever a team goes out and brings in a ton of free agents in any given season, a salary cap day of reckoning eventually arises. As we understand it, that day is coming for the Jets on the first day of the 2009 league year.

The specific numbers arenít clear, but the thinking in some circles is that the Jets will have a very hard time competing for Cassel or any other high end free agent in 2009, especially as players try to get even more money than usual with the possibility of a work stoppage looming.

The other thing to keep in mind is that, if the Patriots have the cap space to carry Casselís cap number for a short period of time, the franchise tag likely is coming for Cassel, and then the Pats will trade him. And we suspect that the Pats wonít choose to do any business with the Jets, if New England has any other option.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:18 AM

Tannenbaum is no idiot. All the contracts that were given out have escape clauses in them, I believe Pace has a $9 million roster bonus come next March, he'll probably never see it or it will be pushed into the up and coming uncapped year.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:25 AM

I wouldn't want Cassell. I think the team makes him look alot better than he is.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:50 AM

If we try to sign every QB that rings up 400 yards on us, that list could get pretty long. smile.gif
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Nov 17 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tannenbaum is no idiot. All the contracts that were given out have escape clauses in them, I believe Pace has a $9 million roster bonus come next March, he'll probably never see it or it will be pushed into the up and coming uncapped year.


Agreed!

Tannenbaum knows exactly what he's doing and besides, f*ck Matt Cassel!
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:14 PM

We aren't going after Cassel either way. If we were, I would be PISSED!!!!! I believe more in what we have over Cassel, I just don't see that much out of Cassel. I see him playing within the system which is a good thing, but what I mean is if his WRs aren't wide open or make serious YAC he does nothing. He isn't that accurate, the only throw I saw that was great was the one to Moss, but I believe that is a fluke.
I believe more in Clemens as a eventual starter than Cassel, all I see is Cassel being a good back up for the Patriots. I even like more out of Ratliff! At least Ratliff was showing the ability to throw a pass on spot to a WR. Mark my words, whoever signs Cassel to be their Starting QB will be effed.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 17 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We aren't going after Cassel either way. If we were, I would be PISSED!!!!! I believe more in what we have over Cassel, I just don't see that much out of Cassel. I see him playing within the system which is a good thing, but what I mean is if his WRs aren't wide open or make serious YAC he does nothing. He isn't that accurate, the only throw I saw that was great was the one to Moss, but I believe that is a fluke.
I believe more in Clemens as a eventual starter than Cassel, all I see is Cassel being a good back up for the Patriots. I even like more out of Ratliff! At least Ratliff was showing the ability to throw a pass on spot to a WR. Mark my words, whoever signs Cassel to be their Starting QB will be effed.



Who you kiddin, you'd throw Clemens out like last week's garbage if the Jets had even a remote chance of getting Brady Quinn.

We all might as well admit that we all have our own personal favorites for Favre's successor.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:39 PM

Am I the only one that would choose Tyler Thigpen over Matt Cassell at this point? Thigpen has no O-line and his only target is a TE past his prime and he's looked every bit as good at Cassell. Now let them switch teams and see who does better.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Nov 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who you kiddin, you'd throw Clemens out like last week's garbage if the Jets had even a remote chance of getting Brady Quinn.

We all might as well admit that we all have our own personal favorites for Favre's successor.

I never said I wouldn't, I just wouldn't want Cassel. Thats my opinion, I think hes nothing. Will be a waste for any team that goes after him. I doubt we go after him either way.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:18 PM

my personal favorite is who pick in the first round 2010/11 draft
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 12:23 AM

I stiill think it is funny how some of you are such idiots to put down Cassel so easily.He has made leaps and bounds in the short time he has played.Some of you have blinders on not to see this.I think the man has a future as a starting qb.The way he is playing now more experience is only going to make the man better.
At least Mr_Jet also sees this.When Brady came in off the bench the same crap was said about him and look what he is now.
Clemens did alot worse his first year and we dont know what the hell to expect out of Ratliff.
Cassel has the Pats at 6-4 with no running game and anyone that says the qb position isnt the hardest job on the team has no true knowledge of football.Whether you like the Pats or not anyone who cant respect what he has done is an idiot.
With no running game that system belief is bullshit.Its not like the receivers are holding the ball at the snap.
That comeback he had against us at the end of the game was literally amazing and no qb could have done it anny better.
That man has obvious skills and with no practice over the years to establish good timing with the first team to pick things up as quickly as he has done is really impressive in my opinion.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 10:02 AM

I guess we're idiots because we don't see Cassel as a starter.... Seriously bump this thread if you want too, but I bet he doesn't amount to anything as a starter. I can see the Patriots retaining him also, as they are going to need a quality backup with Brady having a knee injury.
But if he goes to a team to become a starter you can bump this thread, because I doubt he does shit as a starter for another team. The guy can't complete anything 20 yards out, what he has like 11 completions all year 20+ yards out. Thats horrible. Shows me he has little accuracy.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 02:12 PM

He's a system Q.B. He has NO downfeild passing attack. The scheme is set up for him to throw 10 yard routes all game. I guess you can chalk me up as being an idiot too.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 07:13 PM

Let's clear one thing up. Not being able to do something and not trying to do something are two totally different things. Cassel does not try to throw those passes because he is not asked to throw 20+ yard passes. What is the point of throwing a 20+ yard pass when Moss is doubled covered on almost every play. They use Moss to draw double coverage which leaves Welker or Gaffney open. What is the use of having 3 receivers 30 yards down the field, when they already have one receiver that is almost always double covered? It makes sense to let Moss run down the field with two DBs and keep Welker and Gaffney below 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. 1. That will be a more accurate pass, 2. it's enough to get a first down and 3. it makes the running backs receiving threats too (spreading the defense). But you have to have a QB that can find the wholes in the defense and get the ball there quickly. That whole may not always be 20+ yards.

This sounds so much like the old Clemens vs. Pennington debates. Arm strength vs. accurate passing; and it's the same folks that were arguing about how great, important, and wonderful arm strength is who are now complaining about Cassel's style of play. It wasn't Favre's arm strength that won the game last Thursday. It was smart accurate passing that kept him from getting an INT and helped win the game. I'd rather see an 11 yard pass with the WR getting 8 yards of YAC, for a first down; than see a 25 yard pass that gets picked off. Long balls are pretty to see but not when the other team picks it off and starts running the other way.

P.S. The TD pass to Gaffney was for 19 yards, that's pretty damn close to 20 yards so he can throw a 20 yard pass when he needs to.

I can't believe you guys got me defending a Patriots player. Look pass the uniform.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 08:26 PM

I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 18 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.



Yeah right. You guarantee it huh, well alright Mr. Namath. I never said he'd be great I didn't even say I wanted him on the Jets, all I said was he's got talent and potential and that I wouldn't be opposed to it if they got him.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 18 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.

The whole reason I am saying you are an idiot is because the man has played what now?????Ten games now in what six or seven years???? And you expect him to be accurate right away in all his throws.I dont care what sport it is or how great the greatest star is in that sport timing and accuracy take time and lots and lots of practice.I dont know how many times I have heard in the NFL that a qb and receiver arent in time together because they havent practiced enough.

You want an examples?.Take Lowery for instance,he is making all kinds of rookie mistakes but we can all see he has skills.No one here doesnt think he will get better with more experience.How about Revis?the leap he has made from last year and he was pretty good then too.Oh how about Favre coming here and looking pretty uncomfortable his first few games before getting the hang of it.Hell plus Favre was down right shitty his first year in Atlanta.Or how about Eli Manning and how inconsistant he was for years and suddenly mid last year and pretty much all of this year he is looking like Peyton.Need I go on?Hell look at Portis. I have followed him since Denver.He has made leaps and bounds since his rookie year.Randel El.
I could go on all day.Hell I could go into basketball examples too.

The point is no one knows how good or bad Cassel is but he has showed he has skills and being his only experience in college and the NFL is in practice without first teams to come in to this stage and perform as well as he has is amazing to say the least.But you guys expect a man with no experience to come into this league and play like a Dan Marino right off the bat.
Name someone else that has his credentials and has ever even started a game less play that well.If he was crappy there is no way he would have pulled off that drive against the Jets at the end.That took skill.Plus no can argue that down field throws are the hardest for any qb even experienced and I would have actually been surprised if was real accurate on down field throws
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:55 PM

Actually Bill Bilichick is the Man and the most valuable in the success of the Pats .
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