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azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:31 PM) Vick = $$
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 02:04 PM

Mike's Mailbag: Cool on Brees
By Mike Harmon
June 15, 2005

We're six weeks away from the official start of NFL training camps, but draft season is in full gear with last week's release of Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football. The first round of these drafts are always running back heavy (with Randy Moss and Peyton Manning crashing the party), but things are a bit more jumbled this year than I've seen in quite some time. After the selection of LaDainian Tomlinson at the top, the next six to eight players are appearing in an unpredictable order. The most recent draft in which I participated featured Kevin Jones and Domanick Davis with the fourth and sixth picks. Not many would have expected that!

As fantasy owners begin to adjust their rankings and get those preliminary draft boards in order, the mailbag is filling up. Questions this week center on young running backs, the emerging offensive stars in Buffalo and wide receivers in Kansas City. That's right, I said wide receivers in Kansas City. I've also received a number of comments about my listing of Drew Brees among my bust selections for 2005.

The review of my inbox begins with a trade offer involving a member of the Cleveland Browns backfield.

I have a chance to get Lee Suggs in a trade. I have seen him before, and he is a Jamal Lewis-type back – big and bruising. However, to get him, I would have to give up Santana Moss. Do you anticipate Suggs having a big year? Or do you think Moss is worth holding on to? – Jake in Houston, TX

Jake –
I'd always lean toward picking up the extra starting running back. Moss stood among the more disappointing fantasy performers in '04 after a huge season in 2003. His touchdown total was cut in half (though he did reward faithful owners with three touchdowns in the fantasy playoffs) and his total number of catches dwindled. The Redskins offense has no choice but to get better in Joe Gibbs' second season, but the turnaround will take time.

Suggs finished 2004 with three straight 100-yard efforts, averaging 28 carries per game. Though I'm skeptical that the Browns offense will be terribly effective overall, a healthy Suggs stands to carry the rock between 15-20 times per week. I suspect he'll lose a few carries each week to William Green and Reuben Droughns, but unless something changes dramatically during camp, he'll receive the bulk of the work.

Should J.J. Arrington go down or fail to perform in Arizona, do you think Marcel Shipp has the ability to put up the fantasy numbers that would warrant picking him up? – Colin in Victoria, British Columbia

Colin –
If you've drafted Arrington or are considering doing so, Marcel Shipp has to be handcuffed to the pick. He had a strong season in '03 while sharing the backfield with Emmitt Smith, contributing six touchdowns and 834 rushing yards. There are some concerns that the 5-foot-9 Arrington will have trouble staying healthy for the duration of the season. I'm not sold on that notion, as he stands a stout 215 pounds and should be able to absorb the punishment. I believe that the Cardinals will make some noise in the NFC West, and whomever handles the bulk of the carries will put up numbers.

Where does J.P. Losman stand with Buffalo this year, and where do you see Lee Evans and Willis McGahee? – Ken in Wichita, KS

Ken –
I'll start with the last player first. McGahee was selected with the second pick in the most recent experts draft in which I participated. His dominance in the second half of the 2004 season has him edging past players with injury or holdout concerns such as Priest Holmes and Shaun Alexander.

As for Evans, there's a lot of faith that he'll surpass Eric Moulds as the Bills' top receiving option. In fact, he was selected a full round ahead of Moulds in this particular draft (seventh round). It wasn't until Mike Mularkey and company recognized the deep-ball threat that Evans posed that they made their incredible second-half run.

Finally, turning to Losman, he'll need to battle through a tough division schedule in his first NFL season and overcome the urge to show off his arm (something former Bills QB Drew Bledsoe has always struggled with). Happily, he will have the offensive firepower and a strong defense to assist him in the vein of Ben Roethlisberger last season. Losman makes for a solid fantasy backup to start the season with several possible spot starts at New Orleans, Oakland and a home game against Kansas City.

I can't imagine that you read every newspaper article, team slant, and message board rambling, so I thought I'd let you in on a couple of sleepers from the Chiefs. For the past two offseasons, Richard Smith (WR) has been catching everything, and I guarantee Kris Wilson (TE) will snag six TDs this season; it was rumored last year that offensive coordinator Al Saunders had created numerous plays for Wilson before his injury. – Jason from Colorado Springs, CO

Jason –
I love your conviction and enthusiasm about a couple of Kansas City receivers not bearing the surname of Gonzalez. It's not often that anyone rallies behind them. Richard Smith is certainly on the radar, receiving great reviews from head coach *beep* Vermeil after mini-camps for his hands and speed (he ran track at Arkansas). The signing of Az-Zahir Hakim and selection of Craphonso Thorpe in this year's draft will intensify the battle among the wideouts this year. I suspect Smith enters the heavy workouts a step behind fellow second-year receiver Samie Parker, but the competition should be entertaining.

Wilson's productivity at the University of Pittsburgh (44 catches, nine touchdowns) was overshadowed by the exploits of Larry Fitzgerald, but this guy certainly has the tools to be a force in the NFL. I think six touchdowns may be a bit excessive, but by comparison, fellow TE Jason Dunn did manage three touchdowns last season in the shadow of Gonzo. If Kansas City can get some productivity out of these young receivers to complement Eddie Kennison, then the middle of the field should be open for Wilson to make an impact.

And one more for the road …

Do you even follow the Chargers? How can a so-called reputable sports analyst such as yourself be such a poor judge of talent. If you get a chance, try watching a few Chargers games from last year. You might think differently. Start with the Chargers versus Denver game (20-17), and see if you don't retract your truly ignorant statement of Brees as a bust. Bottom line, Brees is a winner. He finds a way to win in crucial situations. – Bolt Man in San Jose, CA

Dear Bolt Man –
I'll give you that Brees found a way to win in Week 13 against the Broncos. As a huge Big 10 football fan, I fully appreciate Brees' ability to spread the field, split the seams and put the ball into the end zone. My comments in my column earlier this week merely suggest that points won't come as readily as they did in the Chargers' storybook 2004 season (28 points per game). I appreciate the upgrades on offense and the strength of the receiving corps, but I think we may see even bigger totals out of LaDainian Tomlinson.

Taken further, this letter serves as the classic reminder of separating fantasy performers from reality. If we were to look at both games that Brees played against Denver last year, he failed to throw for a single touchdown in either of them – he did run for one TD. Remember, fantasy owners couldn't care less whether the Chargers won or lost the game. If the Week 13 matchup stood as the determining factor for a team making the fantasy playoffs, then they were likely left on the outside looking in. In summary, I'm not looking for Brees to crash and burn altogether, but I do expect his TD total to push back somewhat. To put things in perspective, he was the 15th QB taken in my most recent draft.

That's all for now. Keep those messages coming with your thoughts and predictions on the coming season. Throw out your views on the next set of breakthrough players and those you expect to begin their respective declines. I'll include some of your musings in future pieces as we forge full speed ahead toward the start of training camp.

Mike Harmon is a Yahoo! Sports fantasy expert. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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