This thread is out of control.
1) Yes, Young was in an offense that was easier to run than a regular, drop-back offense. And of course his receivers were able to get open a lot so he didn't have to try and force the ball. I tell you what though, the same is true for a lot of other Qbs in similar offenses. Down here in Missouri Brad Smith ran something like what Texas did with much different results. He finished 77th in the nation in passing efficiency, and before anyone points out just how much better Texas' receivers were, Missouri has arguably the best TEs in the Big 12 and a decent receiver. This system isn't just automatic huge numbers, and a poor QB won't come in and be brilliant. Vince Young played great in a system that enabled him to do that, and while he has to prove he can adapt to other offenses, it is ignorant to try and pretend that he is an outright bad player who made out well in a certain system.
2)Young had 155 carries and 325 passing attemtps. He ran the ball less than a third of the time. When you consider that he ran more when the team was ahead, and that Texas was always ahead, then that many attempts isn't to any degree excessive for a college "running" QB. Since 2000 there have been dozens of QB who have rushed more times than he did last year(including himself) and not been as strong of passers. Of course, the year before he was the player you guys are accusing him of being. He ran 40% of the time then. So, when people sit here and say, "Young always runs first," it is completely unsupported by the facts.
3) The leap he made between his first season as a starter and last year is tremendous, and yes, is in part due to changes made in the offense. But if anyone watched him both seasons, and really paid attention, it was almost two unique players. Vince Young as a Sophomore was clearly unsure of his arm and looked to run as soon as a play started. The Vince Young of this year looked to throw first and run second, but he always looked to do what was best for his team. The Texas offense was designed to allow him to run as an option, and it is hardly fair to criticize him for exercising that option. If you want to say he needs to prove he can run a NFL offense, that is one thing. But to say he is incapable of it simply because he ran a different style offense is illogical.
There are a lot of fair criticisms of Vince Young. He has to adjust to a different style, he has to learn that running is always the last option at the NFL level, he needs to show that he can read defenses. But there is also a lot to love about Young. He is a proven leader that is willing to take over games, he has a good arm, he is big and fast, he has shown that he is willing to put in the effort to get better and to learn. I'm tired of this asinine insults about how he won't even be a receiver at the next level or how dumb he is or whatever else. Vince Young has more potential than any QB in the draft and could very easily be an amazing player. Accordingly, he is certainly deserving of a top fifteen pick. He isn't comparable to what Leinart is now and he might have more difficulty in translating his game than Cutler, but he has the makeup to be a success and these silly slurs on him need to stop.
On a personal note, Hurricane, I wish you would stick your ego up your ass and debate like a respectable member of the board. We all know that you have an expansive knowledge of college football and I don't think any regular reader will disagree with me here, but if you think that you are the end-all of insight on this board and deserve to constantly flame people who disagree with you then take it elsewhere and go get a job doing this for a living. When you're on ESPN or writing for SI, then maybe you can come on here and act like you know more than the rest of us. Until then, cool down, you're just another guy with an opinion and whether or not it is better informed than another's, it doesn't give you the right to talk down to people.
Also for the record, sarcasm is fun, but it doesn't do much for serious debate because it tends to lower the level of discussion.
OK...I agree with everything you said..except the obvious ending. I've never opposed Vince Young's abilities as a leader and a superb athlete. I recently made a post defending his wonderlic scores saying how it doesn't even matter. I think Vince can be an NFL QB, but he will have to sit and learn for a while. I'm not sure if he's going to be great, depends on how well he can adapt. I don't think anyone knows at this point how Young really will turn out to be.
I pride myself in being a person on this board who actually does debate with facts and not just cursing someone off who doesn't agree with me. Yes, at times I get a little over the top, but you have no right to say that to me. I always listen to others arguments. The reason I got heated in this topic is because without any prior reasoning triple decided to call my topic an idiotic statement. So, I naturally defended my statement and myself. I have every right to get mad when someone disregards my opinions as idiotic and appears to be talking down to me
, so I will not take my ego and shove it my ass, I'll keep it right where it belongs...in check.