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Do You Think Leon Washington?

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 11:20 AM

Can be a featured back? Do you guys think he can be? I personaly dont know really yet, I have a good feeling about him, but not so sure yet. I think that if we revamp our offensive line more, then he can be a great RB. I think that he could easily have a 1,200 yard season if we give him the rock. Will see what happens...
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

i think he can, he should had gotten more carries IMO
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

I think he is a role player and will be an excellent change of pace back and reciever out of the backfield...all you have to do is get him in space...as he is one of the best in the league with room to run.

But I could be wrong...I don't think he'll ever be a true feature back...but he may be able to handle most of the load with a big back to supplant him every once in a while.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:26 PM

Yes. Brian Westbrook is a featured back and a fantasy gem. Why can't Leon be the same? I actually think Leon is better in space than Westbrook is. None the less, he still needs a thumper to go out there and help him physically wear down a defense, so.... traditional featured back..... no. He's not a Portis or LT by any stretch. I think we should use him our Atlanta uses Warrick Dunn.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:32 PM

We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:08 PM

yes at first i doubted him but after watching him i feel he can be a mix between westbrook and tiki barber.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:11 PM

I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 28 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???



i dont think houston can stay healthy enough we need to draft a guys to split the carries with washington
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.



I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:41 PM

Good point. I agree.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.

yes but we also r looking for a RB(some of us anyways) because we dont know how good he is i think(well i believe that is some ppl's mind set), however i believe he just needs more carries to prove himself. i dont think he will get the amount of carries that could show he could be a franchise RB this year either though if we keep barlow or draft a RB because then it seems like we would be looking to do a "RB by committee" thing. and if we dont think he can be a franchise RB, i think we should at least have him split carries with the ppl we get or the ppl we have, but if we do it with the ppl we have, we should have him get the majority of the carries unlike last year. however depending on who we get if any1 in FA or the draft, it would determine who gets the majority of the carries. if we were to get some1 like michael turner, i think he should be the one not getting the majority of the carries until proven otherwise but i think at least for the first year or couple years we should if we draft a RB leon should get the majority, because even though hes only ahead of them by 1 year, i think he should still get the majority of the carries unless proven otherwise by a RB we were to draft
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:46 PM

Off the bat next season I dont think he can i think he still needs some more time in the NFL. Look at Westbrook and Barber they both needed time to develop into a feature back.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.

Good point! I like how the Cowboys use their RBs. They run Julius Jones in the 1st half, then in the 2nd use Marion Barber, who is a bit bigger and is more physical, and they just destroy them that way, with Barber nailing them in the 2nd half. W/e we do, Leon Washington needs the ball. Hes a gamechanger! He has excellent vision, and patience. He is also pretty decent up the middle, since he does have that vision, and is small so teams dont see him and he runs up the gut and then always seems to stumble for some yards instead of just getting nailed. He has very strong legs, and obivously very fast and quick. I for one want to see him get the load this year before we decide on getting another back. I rather go after Brian Leonard, who can be our Mike Alstott, and be our FB/RB, he can be the short yardage guy and goal line guy, along with 3rd downs, since he is great at Pass blocking and has great hands. I am wishing everyday that our backfield next year is Washington and Leonard.. Please let it happen.........
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

Yes he can be. all that needs to be said.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:02 PM

we'll find out if we don't get turner of lynch
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.


That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.

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