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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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The Official STFU About the Pats Thread! ... And Brady vs Manning

#41 User is offline   jets0n Icon

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:00 PM

Nice research.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:08 PM

Isn't this basically like arguing which is better a Ford or a Chevy truck? There is no answer.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:12 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Mar 13 2007, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't this basically like arguing which is better a Ford or a Chevy truck? There is no answer.


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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:14 PM

Not quite, Manning is prolific. Brady isn't.

Either way, it didn't need to be created a thread. What's it gonna prove? One of us is wrong? It's not that big of a deal.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:15 PM

QUOTE (bluelinecop @ Mar 13 2007, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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lol
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:17 PM

It is basically the Montana / Elway argument.

On paper, mechanics, stats, etc.....Manning is better.

If I need to go out and win a game and I had to choose who my QB was...I would pick Brady
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (TimmyLamJones @ Mar 13 2007, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is basically the Montana / Elway argument.

On paper, mechanics, stats, etc.....Manning is better.

If I need to go out and win a game and I had to choose who my QB was...I would pick Brady


Yeah but I disagree on that too. Because how many times has Manning lost in the regular season in the past 4 years? It seems like every year they start off 10-0. He's damn good during the regular season, he's always had that "Not a good post season player." Well he's proved he is alot actually. Didn't he throw 2 perfect games before the Pats destroyed his receivers and the game of football by all that mugging? I mean, the guy is good. There's a reason he makes all that money. Hell I'd pay him even more than that, look what he did with hardly any running game. Loses a veteran like Edge and replaces with a very good rookie but hey, the guy still played like a rookie. Addai is gonna be great, but Peyton carried that team on his back and won a Superbowl. He played the best defenses in the league. He deserves credit for that.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:31 PM

I don't feel like he carried the team. Even in this years playoffs. He didn't even play too well in this years playoffs. He was ok.

Manning has had great regular seasons but has never been clutch. He has choked, while Brady thrived in those instances.

And Brady has still had great seasons, and then capped it off with great offseason. not as good regular seasons, but way better playoffs. So that's why I say he's better
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:33 PM

Fair enough, that's your opinion. See, you didn't need this thread to come to that conclusion.


Honestly when I first saw this thread I thought: "Me and jets0n: Arm Wrestling, who would win?" You can imagine my disappointment when I found it to merely be a thread about Brady and Manning. Arm Wrestling is way cooler. Just call my Sly Stone.... Over The Top! I'm about to turn my hat around and then it's over.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:33 PM

I'm merging this topic with the original.

PS - Peyton Manning.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 02:35 PM

Nice work Amen. I agree.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 04:38 PM

All around Peyton is a better player, Brady the better worksman. Manning has all the skill in the world and all the smarts, while Brady will win every game, granted Brady gets help from a MUCH better defense. All around I think Manning is better, but not by too much, yet in the skill contenst, it isn't a contenst, since Manning would kill anyone.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (TimmyLamJones @ Mar 13 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is basically the Montana / Elway argument.

On paper, mechanics, stats, etc.....Manning is better.

If I need to go out and win a game and I had to choose who my QB was...I would pick Brady

Exactly. Manning has the better tools and better stats, but he could never win the big game before this year. And you can say that Brady always had the best defense, but who carried the Colts in this years playoffs? It wasn't Peyton. It was the Colts defense. Besides, look at the tools Peyton has had on offense. Brady has never had receivers even close to what Peyton has. Christ, Brady won his first two superbowls with Antowain Smith at RB. Meanwhile, Peyton couldn't win with Edge, Harrison, Wayne, etc. until the D decided to come to life this year. I'm a Peyton fan and, like any other Jets fan, I hate Brady. But if I'm picking a QB to win me a superbowl, I'm taking Brady.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 10:03 PM

IMO manning is better, he has the stats to back it up and brady has the rings, but brady had a lot more talent on the other side of the ball then peyton has ever had.

And noone can control a game from qb like peyton manning does, he is so effiecient and rarely down, and when he is down, his team suffers for it, yet when brady plays bad, the pats still are in with a chance, it's cos they have the better side, the colts have the better quarterback.

And i say let the pats panic and try to keep their grasp on their 'dynasty'. Everyone, including their organisation knows that it isnt long before the jets take over the AFC
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:46 PM

Exactly ozjet51! Peyton Manning plays QB like a coach out there. He calls his own plays, he waves off the punt team, he checks in, he checks out.... come on. Brady doesn't come close the QB Peyton Manning is and if all we're gonna do is judge by Wins/Losses then it's unfair because we all know you need a team to win in football.

Manning is the only player I've ever seen to carry his team. Say what you want about his receivers but Harrison is double teamed ALWAYS and Wayne isn't anything great except for a WR playing with Peyton Manning and opposite Harrison who draws all the attention of the secondary. The guy is in 1 on 1 all the time. It's easy to look good in that case. Point I'm trying to make but using too many words to do it is, a great WR is absolutely nothing without a great QB. The amazing thing is Manning still manages to get Harrison 1000 yards every season. He throws into amazingly tight windows. Sorry but Brady doesn't compare. Dilfer has a ring. Brad Johnson has a ring. When has Brady ever thrown 6 TD passes ever? If he has, has he ever done it in 1 half of football and then had to sit for the rest of the game? Didn't think so.

Cincy has a great WR and a good QB but that doesn't equal wins. You need a great QB to win and Peyton Manning carries that team on his back and he wins a shitload of games. Yeah he hasn't won as many championships as the Pats, but the fact that the Colts finally won and beat the Pats to do it should scare us. Manning knows he can win now and he can do it by beating the toughest defenses ever. He's gonna keep winning and he'll always be in the playoffs because he'll win 12 games every year at least.

It's not even a comparison. Brady plays with Bill Nye the Football Guy and a great defense. Peyton calls his own plays and plays with the worst defense I've ever seen. They were the WORST defense last year statistically and he STILL won a championship. It was his defense that got him there huh? Come on guys. Peyton haters in the house. Last time I checked Peyton Manning kicked everyone's ass last year. He doesn't play prolifically anymore because it puts it on his defense to win games. That's why it's not as pretty as it used to be. He holds the ball as long as he can and then he scores. He runs that team, I'm not sure what Tony Dungy does to be honest because he isn't calling plays and he sure as hell doesn't get to say when it's time for Special Teams.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Mar 14 2007, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly ozjet51! Peyton Manning plays QB like a coach out there. He calls his own plays, he waves off the punt team, he checks in, he checks out.... come on. Brady doesn't come close the QB Peyton Manning is and if all we're gonna do is judge by Wins/Losses then it's unfair because we all know you need a team to win in football.

Manning is the only player I've ever seen to carry his team. Say what you want about his receivers but Harrison is double teamed ALWAYS and Wayne isn't anything great except for a WR playing with Peyton Manning and opposite Harrison who draws all the attention of the secondary. The guy is in 1 on 1 all the time. It's easy to look good in that case. Point I'm trying to make but using too many words to do it is, a great WR is absolutely nothing without a great QB. The amazing thing is Manning still manages to get Harrison 1000 yards every season. He throws into amazingly tight windows. Sorry but Brady doesn't compare. Dilfer has a ring. Brad Johnson has a ring. When has Brady ever thrown 6 TD passes ever? If he has, has he ever done it in 1 half of football and then had to sit for the rest of the game? Didn't think so.

Cincy has a great WR and a good QB but that doesn't equal wins. You need a great QB to win and Peyton Manning carries that team on his back and he wins a shitload of games. Yeah he hasn't won as many championships as the Pats, but the fact that the Colts finally won and beat the Pats to do it should scare us. Manning knows he can win now and he can do it by beating the toughest defenses ever. He's gonna keep winning and he'll always be in the playoffs because he'll win 12 games every year at least.

It's not even a comparison. Brady plays with Bill Nye the Football Guy and a great defense. Peyton calls his own plays and plays with the worst defense I've ever seen. They were the WORST defense last year statistically and he STILL won a championship. It was his defense that got him there huh? Come on guys. Peyton haters in the house. Last time I checked Peyton Manning kicked everyone's ass last year. He doesn't play prolifically anymore because it puts it on his defense to win games. That's why it's not as pretty as it used to be. He holds the ball as long as he can and then he scores. He runs that team, I'm not sure what Tony Dungy does to be honest because he isn't calling plays and he sure as hell doesn't get to say when it's time for Special Teams.


Yeah, but there is something that the stats and things don't show. And that is how Brady is clutch and brings his teams from behind so many times in last minute drives to win. and Peyton has yet to do that. Brady's passing game is always good. Peytons passing game is the best in the league, but Brady's passing game is probably the second best in the league. He has less weapons than Peyton has. But when it comes down to the last drive of a game, almost everyone would rather have Brady. And that's where the seperation between them comes. and that's why Peyton hasn't won more than one championship. Because he is not clutch. Like I said before, even when he won the championship, he didn't play that well. he played ok and the defense played very well. In so many of those games on the road to 3 championships, they needed Brady to drive them down the field at the last minute. and he always delivered.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 09:47 AM

Hello, Peyton Manning always wins when he's the last to hold the ball. He did that to the freaking Jets last year. Remember that? Sorry, last drive of the game I want Peyton Manning. I remember Brady had the ball last against the Jets and Ellis drilled him to end the game. That was nice.

Peyton is too clutch. You've just been sniffing Brady's jock strap so long that you've started to like it. Snap out of it man, it's not healthy biggrin.gif
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Mar 14 2007, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello, Peyton Manning always wins when he's the last to hold the ball. He did that to the freaking Jets last year. Remember that? Sorry, last drive of the game I want Peyton Manning. I remember Brady had the ball last against the Jets and Ellis drilled him to end the game. That was nice.

Peyton is too clutch. You've just been sniffing Brady's jock strap so long that you've started to like it. Snap out of it man, it's not healthy biggrin.gif


Peyton is definitely not more clutch than Brady. sorry. no one would agree with that. Alot of people would argue that peyton isn't clutch at all. And when we talk clutch, we're talking big games. not a game during the regular season against the jets. throughout those championships like I said, Brady constantly in the playoffs brought his team back to win.

Peyton has not been that clutch and has actually been known to be very bad in the big games. This year was the first time that he won the big game, and he didn't even do that well. he did a decent job, but in every other playoff chance that Peyton has had, he has not been clutch.

And I won't even comment on the jock comment. You're a moderator. and you know I don't like brady
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Mar 14 2007, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Peyton is definitely not more clutch than Brady. sorry. no one would agree with that. Alot of people would argue that peyton isn't clutch at all. And when we talk clutch, we're talking big games. not a game during the regular season against the jets. throughout those championships like I said, Brady constantly in the playoffs brought his team back to win.

Peyton has not been that clutch and has actually been known to be very bad in the big games. This year was the first time that he won the big game, and he didn't even do that well. he did a decent job, but in every other playoff chance that Peyton has had, he has not been clutch.

And I won't even comment on the jock comment. You're a moderator. and you know I don't like brady


Ok, this is getting old. Agree to disagree.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 02:12 PM

I'm bored to tears with this whole fvcking topic...we dunno what'll happen till the season starts, so just wait till then to b*tch over who's better

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