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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 03:22 PM

Just wanted everyone's opinion.....since everyone is talking about barton getting cut or hobson moving inside and so on.....i want to think there is a chance that schlegel can be something after working with mangini for 2-3 years. he is big, 6-1 251lbs., and around draft time mangini said the reason he drafted him at the time was that on a team w carpenter and hawk schlegel was still always at the bottom of the pile, always around the ball and it stood out on tape. I am not saying he is a star today, but NONE of us would have said cotchery would be what he is today and it shows what a killer work ethic in the offseason can do. All I am saying is that if mangini saw him as having a nose for the ball like he said he did right after the draft he may be a good young compliment to vilma in ILB core....opinions???..

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 03:37 PM

Or trade Vilma and move Mr. Schlegal right into his spot. beach.gif
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 03:59 PM

Weren't we all pretty high on Cotchery? Cotchery set records at NC State...breaking Tory Holt's old ones...Schlegel did nothing of the sort. Schlegel will find his way on the field on running downs and goal line situations similiar to Kassell. Let's just hope Schlegel is smart enough not to fall for the play fake on an incredibely obvious goal line pass play...
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Jan 11 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or trade Vilma and move Mr. Schlegal right into his spot. beach.gif

Even though Vilma doesnt fit the system i dont think Schlegal can do what Vilma can talent wise. Although Mangini does award good work ethics. During training camp mangini will watch him and see if he improves if he does he'll get more playing time i doubt he'll start he'll probably fill the role that Kassel and Chatam did this season.

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 05:49 PM

i think Schlegel might have been one of the few mistakes Mangini has made . it looks like he's becoming a project and at the price of a third round pick - that's a mistake .

a third round pick should be contributing right away and he was inactive most of the time . i think they outsmarted themselves here .

as far as this blather about trading Vilma : Vilma is a good football player and he's playing in a system now that is not a star system , so he's not going to have the stats or achieve the stardom that he showed before the 3-4 . also , don't compare the situation with Ray Lewis and the Ravens . Lewis had to have the recognition and he complained . Vilma is not that way and he's too good a player to trade .

trade Vilma and plug in Schlegel ? that is not going to happen .
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 06:32 PM

seriously, what is this trade vilma bs blowup.gif ughhhh! lets trade away the defensive leader and face of the franchise for what! hell why dont we trade coles away because of some over exaggeration of a comment he made, wait that already happened.... calm down everybody, the jets arent as stupid as theyve been in the past..... hopefully.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 12:43 AM

how is vilma not a fit for the 3-4 but edwards is a pro bowler in it?

edwards 6-2, 227
vilma 6-1, 230
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 12 2007, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how is vilma not a fit for the 3-4 but edwards is a pro bowler in it?

edwards 6-2, 227
vilma 6-1, 230

things that make you go hmmmm....
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 12 2007, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how is vilma not a fit for the 3-4 but edwards is a pro bowler in it?

edwards 6-2, 227
vilma 6-1, 230


because Edwards has the best NT in the NFL, Jamal Williams
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 02:17 PM

QUOTE (DewayneDontSign @ Jan 12 2007, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
because Edwards has the best NT in the NFL, Jamal Williams


thats my point. its not vilma. its like syaing edge sucks as a RB. its not his fault, he had no o-line. its not vilmas fault he slipped a little. its robertson
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 13 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats my point. its not vilma. its like syaing edge sucks as a RB. its not his fault, he had no o-line. its not vilmas fault he slipped a little. its robertson


Even though you're right...I would just like to make a side note...beacuse I like D Rob...he's just in the wrong spot...

It's Kimo's fault and only D Rob's misfortune for not being in Kimo's position...I hope next year D Rob is a monster and pro bowler at DE.
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 13 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even though you're right...I would just like to make a side note...beacuse I like D Rob...he's just in the wrong spot...

It's Kimo's fault and only D Rob's misfortune for not being in Kimo's position...I hope next year D Rob is a monster and pro bowler at DE.


me too i was yelling for the move all year. plus we'll have pohua, tui, moore, mosley, and possible free agents and draft picks. one fo those things has to amount to a decent NT. d-rob can be the DEwith ellis and we'd have some real beef on the line. with tui, drob, and ellis our line would average over 300lbs a piece
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 04:18 PM

i hate schegel another wasted round 3 pick, infact the eric smith pick makes schlegel look like a undrafted free agent.

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Posted 13 January 2007 - 04:37 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 13 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even though you're right...I would just like to make a side note...beacuse I like D Rob...he's just in the wrong spot...

It's Kimo's fault and only D Rob's misfortune for not being in Kimo's position...I hope next year D Rob is a monster and pro bowler at DE.


D-ROB actually was probably the best D-lineman on the team and playing out of position no less .

the more you look at it the more you realize the JETS need to fortify the trenches , on both sides of the ball .

we'll see what Mangini comes up with . i'm guessing a better Right Tackle on O and an upgrade in size and quality with 2 guys to ROTATE with ELLIS anf ROBERTSON on D .

Or at least i hope they can accomplish that .
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 05:12 PM

its too early to call him a bust, but i don't like his potential
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (penningtonpays @ Jan 13 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i hate schegel another wasted round 3 pick

Right...because, you've seen so much of him?
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 13 2007, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right...because, you've seen so much of him?



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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:24 AM

how can you give up on a player after one year???
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:30 PM

You can't. Especially when you know nothing about him. It's not like he started every game and sucked. He barely played. He spent most of the season on the practice squad. It may have been a bit of a reach to take him in the 3rd, but it's definitely too early to call him a bust. Mangini must have seen something in him to take him that early, and hopefully he is grooming him. I expect him to make more of an impact next year.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:48 PM

the guy could be the next teddy bruschi or mike vrabel or maybe the next brad kassell.......point is we'll never no because he never plays and how is it the vilma wasnt a success when he had more tackles than teddy bruschi and pro bowler jermiah trotter all while learning a new sytem and getting absolutely sucked in by the opponents offensive line because we dont have a true NT
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