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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
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Halo? Metroid? Red Faction? Why is your console the best?

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:24 PM

Now i realize that i have started this topic before but with the unveiling of the PS3 i think a lot more people are interested in defending their console

what good is a great system going to do you if you only have a handful of titles such as xbox has (not to knock those games though they are great)
but when you think about it why is halo so famous?
i say marketing
there are more realistic games, more fantasticalgames, better weapon systems, whatever your fix may be halo is not the only first person shooter
it doesnt have any ground breaking features
its not the best story (obvious open to opinion)
i just see it as a great marketing scheme by microsoft
again dont get me wrong it is a high quality game; very enjoyable
but since the "great" games are so few and far between for xbox it was a must have for those who owned the console
let's move on before i steal too many points...

on the other end of the spectrum you have sony who has every conceiveable game made...twice.
again some with high quality, some without
but putting out so many, shall i say, shitty games in public is really damaging the reputation of the PS series
again ill leave a lot to discuss yet for these...

nintendo is a different story
they are (without giving a big history lesson) a software company gone hardware, much like sega.
nintendo knows software (games) and they know it well.
thats why you see many great game titles publisized beyond belief. and then on top of that they have under the radar games that are innovative and just damn fun to play (pikmin, animal crossing)
before i start to sound biased ill start knocking the nintendo corperation
since they lack the financial backing nintendo had to find that niche in the market relatively fast
they ended up with a younger audience focusing most of their "only for" game titles towards the ESRB rating at E (everyone)
and for many of us that sucks. we want to kill and explode and such.

of course there are solution routes for each one of these systems
but i want to here your opinions before i throw those out

if you read this all before you posted i would like to shake your hand.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:30 PM

Ok fine I shouldn’t assume. But have you heard of it? yes or no
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:38 PM

First let me say I own all 3 systems. I’m not just saying one is better because it’s the one I got.

I play xbox the most, then GC, then PS2.

I don not like halo. Either one of them and I agree with you on everything you said about the game that I don’t think its anything special. Its popular because the amount of multiplayer stuff available and xbox live. w/o xbox live it wouldn’t be that big. Personally I’m not big on FPS.

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Sports (anything sports)
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GC is targeted towards a younger audience
PS2 is targeted in Japan (not America) they get everything there first for it
XBOX is the only console targeted for the USA. XBOX live is the best invention in gaming to date. Nobody can deny that. That alone makes the xbox a better system. It has better graphics- less loading times- better and cheaper online play- online voice and using IGN rating system both systems(xbox, PS2) have about 10 percent of there games as a 9.0 or higher. So the quality is the same. PS2 has a bigger selection but I think xbox only games are way better then PS2 only games. I rate the systems like this

1 Xbox
2 GC
3 PS2
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 17 2005, 05:05 PM)
Ok fine I shouldn’t assume. But have you heard of it? yes or no

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XBOX live is the best invention in gaming to date. Nobody can deny that.


ill deny it
of course ill be all technical and wormy about it and say the atari 2600 was the best invention in gaming history
haha
but i do think xbox live was the best invention since...hmmm... 3d graphics

now getting to your point about xbox live being the factor that sets xbox apart from the rest i agree
but it is not a pattened feature and (i can garuntee this) it will be mimicked by every upcoming system. not to mention it could have done by both PS2 and gamecube as well (why they didnt is beyond me)

now with all three having "online capabilities" what would set xbox apart from the other two?
graphics?
well without pulling out the fact sheet (please dont make me i hate browsing the internet) i can confidently say nintendo has the largest capacity for graphics (fast pixel rendering speed officially termed "refresh rate")
but that's irrelevant now because the sytems about to be released will be different comparatively

anyhow i highly doubt that graphics alone will dominate a market (other than PC but let's leave that out)

so again what makes xbox better?
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:28 PM

I cant have these arguments. I know too much and have too much passion for it that I just could write all night. I'll simply state my breif opinions and then maybe insight debate.

Xbox is the best system for multiplatform games (most of the time. Soul Caliber 2 was best on GCN for example). Live is great but I hate the fee. Halo is amaizng and Halo 2 is even better. I play my sports games on it.

GCN is the best for gaming. Gaming means like getting into the game, addicted to it, and playing it till there's nothing left to explore. SImply put: Nintendo knows how to make games. But they also know how to innovate better then anyone. I cannot wait for the New Zelda game opffially entitled The Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Prince. It will have 70 hours of gameplay, link will transform into a warewolf, and the world will be HUGE! Metroid PRime 1 and 2 rocked my world as well.

PS2. It broke on me twice. It is my DVD player at this point. I got sick of the same games (MGS, GTA, Grand Tourismo). Right now I'm only keeping it for the new Final Fantasy. I love Squarenix.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 08:48 AM

Good news you can throw away your PS2 because FF is gonna be on the new xbox. Like I said the same company is making the graphic chips for all 3 but Microsoft paid to ensure they would get the best graphics. I said it in like 5 of my posts but nobody seemed to pay attention to it. I’ll be fair and put the pros and cons of each of the current. To be honest you can’t completely compare the new ones until they are released.

PS2- Pros. Biggest selection of games. Slim design, doubles as a DVD player, familiar controllers (same as PS1)
Cons. Online play is pay per game and dial up. No internal memory. Durability issues. Only 2 controller ports. Slowest processor of the 3. worst graphics of the 3.


GC- Pros. Small design. 4 controller ports. A lot of first party games. Familiar name. 50$ cheaper
Cons. No online play. Weird controller (why is the a button so big?). speed and graphics are better then PS2 but less then xbox. No DVD compatibility. No internal memory. Smallest selection of games.

Xbox-Pros- Online high speed play. Best graphics. Fastest processor. Internal hard drive (for 70 bucks you can get it moded to play burned games and have 80 games installed into the hard drive). 4 controller ports. A lot of companies switching to xbox over PS2. Custom soundtracks in games (great feature in 2k5)
Cons- huge and heavy. DVD compatibility is 35 dollars extra. Not as many games for it as the PS2.


That’s pretty much the rundown of the systems.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 17 2005, 04:13 PM)
GC is targeted towards a younger audience


That is, of course, a blatant lie. Nintendo's games aren't market towards kids, they just aren't filled with sex, violence, or other adult themes. I wouldn't expect a lot of Nintendo's "clean" (as opposed to kiddy) to be really appreciated by anyone under the age of sixteen.

To sum it up, is what Nintendo putting out now any different than what they did in the eighties or early nineties? The answer is no. Other companies have gone out of their way to develop "adult themed" games (GTA, Conker, etc), which may have changed the general perception of what an "adult" game is and what a "children's" game is. But when I think of a game designed with players under the age of 10, I think of something like Luigi's Mansion (which is Nintendo). That is a game that is actually made with a child's abilities in mind.


As fas as Halo is concerned, yeah it isn't anythign breath takingly revolutionary (although the first game's AI is superior to everything before it and a lot after it). But I'm pretty tired of games that introduce some amazing new feature but still aren't any good because the development team spent all their time working on that one feature (see Fable). Halo is like Chess, Checkers, or that brillant piece of art called Tetris. It is a simple game that offers tons of depth and takes a long time to master. It is nothing but strengths. Halo doesn't have glitches, useless weapons, or aimless walks down a long corridor with nothing in it. Halo is a almost perfectly crafted game that has been fine tuned to the poitn that there is almost nothing there that lacks anything. I personally think both Halos are among the top twenty games of all time, maybe even top ten.

Fianlly, reports have been coming out since XBox first came out that comapnies were switching over to XBox because it is easier to develop games for, but Nintendo is always going to have the very best gaems and PS continues to put out a much larger volume than the XBox.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 09:47 AM

Volume means nothing to me. Who will ever own almost every game for a system? Nobody. I don’t care about volume. Give me 4-5 excellent games a year and I’m happy. I don’t need more then that really cause I’ll never play them. I like quality over quantity. PS2 has a lot of games but most are horrible. Like mr. mosquito and games of that nature. Plus most multi platform games are better on xbox. Also I should add they are not switching because its easier. Theyre switching because its more powerfull. It allows them to do certain things. Fable and jade empire couldn’t even been played on PS2. a lot of xbox games would need to be toned down considerably. GTA3 maxed out the PS2 (which is why the graphics sucked.) on xbox they could of really upped the graphics and had more to do
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Volume means nothing to me. Who will ever own almost every game for a system? Nobody. I don’t care about volume. Give me 4-5 excellent games a year and I’m happy. I don’t need more then that really cause I’ll never play them. I like quality over quantity. PS2 has a lot of games but most are horrible. Like mr. mosquito and games of that nature. Plus most multi platform games are better on xbox. Also I should add they are not switching because its easier. Theyre switching because its more powerfull. It allows them to do certain things. Fable and jade empire couldn’t even been played on PS2. a lot of xbox games would need to be toned down considerably. GTA3 maxed out the PS2 (which is why the graphics sucked.) on xbox they could of really upped the graphics and had more to do


Tell that to all the magazines that have released statements about how much easier it was to develop for the XBox because it had more straightforward hardware and was more selfcontained.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 18 2005, 09:23 AM)
Like I said the same company is making the graphic chips for all 3 but Microsoft paid to ensure they would get the best graphics. I said it in like 5 of my posts but nobody seemed to pay attention to it.


pay attention to what i post and you'll realize i did address your issue

i basically said...
that all three of the systems will have only a small margin between one another for graphics performance (xbox 360 may be first im sure it wont be all that noticeable)
and all three systems will have online gameplay

now.
what will make the xbox 360/PS3/Nintendo Revolution better?
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QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 18 2005, 09:22 AM)
Volume means nothing to me. Who will ever own almost every game for a system? Nobody. I don’t care about volume. Give me 4-5 excellent games a year and I’m happy. I don’t need more then that really cause I’ll never play them. I like quality over quantity. PS2 has a lot of games but most are horrible. Like mr. mosquito and games of that nature. Plus most multi platform games are better on xbox. Also I should add they are not switching because its easier. Theyre switching because its more powerfull. It allows them to do certain things. Fable and jade empire couldn’t even been played on PS2. a lot of xbox games would need to be toned down considerably. GTA3 maxed out the PS2 (which is why the graphics sucked.) on xbox they could of really upped the graphics and had more to do


THe point I made about Volume is this:

reports have been coming out for a long time (about two years, as they were coming out when I stopped getting EGM, and that was about that long ago) about how developers were switching to XBox, but Sony still is getting more games for their system. If so many developers were claiming they were planning on switching, why is it that the XBox still isn't getting as many games as PS? The answer (and Jets0n posted an article that addressed this in the other video game thread) is that companies still don't trust MS enough to make a hardline switch. Until these reports start getting substantiated by actual output, using it as an reason SBox is better is illogical.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 01:13 PM

All the interviews I seen on TV told me they started devolping for xbox only or xbox first then port to other systems because they were intrigued by the power and capabilities of it. One was peter molyneaux (spelling) creater of black and white, and fable. You should check out the G4TV channel or the website its all about technology and games and stuff. Great channel.


Also I said they paid so it would be wayyy better. They wouldn’t up all that money for a slightly better graphics. Microsoft dumped over a billion alone in xbox live so far so there willing to spend way more then sony is on the new systems. Bill gates isn’t cheap. Sony is. That’s why the PS2 was so similar to the PS1.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 01:19 PM

The fact still is, and you all have to agree with me, you can’t debate any of this for the following reasons.

1) better games is an opinion only. No fact behind it. Its just a preference.
2) Xbox 360 and PS3 can’t be debated util they are both officially released. Period.
3) Xbox is a way better system then the PS2
4) Controllers once again are opinion but the xbox controllers have the most functionality because they have the most precise joystick and 2 way more pressure sensitive triggers then GC and PS2
5) All we know is what is reported. Were not really there so honestly its all second hand info and speculation. Nothing solid. Those writers are just like us and basically write their opinion. Its like the power rankings everyone will have them different. I doubt 2 people would make the exact same for all 32 teams
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:54 PM

Also even though after watching both the PS3 and Xbox360 vids the xboxs were clearly better but if u read further the xbox games were running on a beta unit which only runs at 1/3 the power meaning the actual one will be 3 times better then the demonstration showed. And being the xbox now is a little less then 3 times as powerful as the PS2 it will probab;y blow the PS3 out the water but for now like I said still too soon to judge but let me ask this. System only which is better

Xbox or PS2?
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 07:46 PM

since we've come upon a big stalemate in this debate fairly quickly
(having the deciding factors being graphics game quality and such)
and since im the owner of this glorious topic
lets steer it in this direction

What makes a game a "good game?" (don't worry we'll get to graphics soon enough)

just to get this up in the air: i took a class that is based on that specific question more or less, (what makes a game sell?) so keep the bullshit to a minimum, or i will slice your points down fairly effeciently. disclaimer now aside...

...again

What makes a game a "good game?"
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:23 AM

What makes a game sell and what makes a game good are 2 completely different questions. One is opinion/technical isuues and the other is marketing
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:51 PM

maybe not completely different but
i agree
now how about some opinions
i know it's a hard one to pin down but give it a shot everyone
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 03:57 PM

Breaking news. I have inside sources and the xbox360 will have 3 3.2GHz processors and will be more powerfull then a 3 year old super computer./ I also will be getting one a couple of months before it is released. Cheers for hook-ups and business contacts. Also I was assured it is gonna blow away the PS3 by a lot. Just though I’d let you people in on it.

Also what makes a good game is opinion but in my opinion its just flat out something fun to play. Something that takes skill in both physical and mental ability as well as good enough of a challenge but not unbeatable.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 05:12 PM

FYI I received this information from an IT manager and a computer programmer who both work for separate componies that have nothing to do with MS or sony. One works for a cell phone company and the other a car company.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 10:59 PM

What is wrong with PS2 online play? I have Socom 2 and Madden 2005 and play them both online and they are great, and it is free. I like PS2 better, I am not saying it is better then XBox, but I have had the orginal and have had no problems with it, so I see no reason to change. Plus it takes me awhile to get use to other joysticks, I just hope the new PS3 joysticks are easy to use and pretty similar to the orginal joysicks.
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