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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:56 AM

what i learned from watching the ravens-colts game is that in the AFC its not enough to have a great Defense (and OMG the Colts suddenly have the best D in the league from out of no where) You also need a great QB who can not only manage the game for you but win them also.....Manning couldnt score a TD but he lead them on the most important drive of the game thats w hy im hoping this Clemens kid wins out this starting QB job...as much as i love Pennington being a game manager it isnt enough in the AFC....look at all the teams left...the two things they have in common is great D and pro bowl QB's.....where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....this Clemens kid is the future and hopefully he'll bring us the spark that Pennington gave us when he overtook Testaverde
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 12:09 PM

I think you're a bit late. We are tired of talking about Chad at this point. I can't even bring myself to say his name anymore I'm referring to him as C.P from now on.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 14 2007, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....

How does this statement make any sense? You admit that the team has room for improvement, then say that Chad has taken us as far as he can take us. The fact is that the team will get much better and when they do, they will go farther. You can't put the loss on Chad, the whole team got roughed up.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 03:44 PM

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How does this statement make any sense? You admit that the team has room for improvement, then say that Chad has taken us as far as he can take us. The fact is that the team will get much better and when they do, they will go farther. You can't put the loss on Chad, the whole team got roughed up.




It only doesnt make sense if you take what you want out of what i said...............Chad doesnt make the entire team so the rest of the team can improve with him improving....... but we got no chance to win anything with him as our QB period................steve mcnair was the worst QB in the playoffs by far and had won an MVP 3 years ago for crying out loud
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:29 PM

From watching these playoffs, I haven't seen anything special at the QB position. The only real good game I saw was Tom Brady vs the Jets but all the other games, I have seen QBs miss wide open WRs, throw plenty of picks, lay out WRs. Hopefully now that Jets fans can watch other games other then the Jets, we can realize that no QB is perfect and Pennington isn't as bad as people on this site think he is.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 14 2007, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what i learned from watching the ravens-colts game is that in the AFC its not enough to have a great Defense (and OMG the Colts suddenly have the best D in the league from out of no where) You also need a great QB who can not only manage the game for you but win them also.....Manning couldnt score a TD but he lead them on the most important drive of the game thats w hy im hoping this Clemens kid wins out this starting QB job...as much as i love Pennington being a game manager it isnt enough in the AFC....look at all the teams left...the two things they have in common is great D and pro bowl QB's.....where on our way to a great D but i think penny has taken us as far as he can take us....this Clemens kid is the future and hopefully he'll bring us the spark that Pennington gave us when he overtook Testaverde


This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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I apologize in advance for continuing. I love Chad. Many teams would love to have him, some as a starter. The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. The saying "QB X is good when the running game is working and the defense is playing well" is a nice way of saying the QB is not great. I remember watching the jets play against Marino. The lead was never big enough; I was always scared that Marino would bring Miami back. There are only a few guys who scared me like that Manning is another. It seems like a lot of ex and current players who always seemed to be at their best against the Jets. Willis McGahee is one of those guys. Sorry off topic
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 08:16 PM

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The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind.


The lack of arm strength would be another short fall. He can't drive a team down the field, he isn't worth starting.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.

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Well put.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 10:59 PM

I think a playmaker would do well in the afc
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:08 PM

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I think a playmaker would do well in the afc

no brad no smith looks good guys maybe he's becoming a real poster

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:29 AM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 14 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the last time I am ever responding to a post of this nature. I am growing disgusted with ignorant people.

The TEAM will go as far as the TEAM takes themselves. The QB does not embody 53 players. Winning a championship is a team effort. The TEAM must succeed in all three phases of the game. There is absolutely NOTHING Chad can do when the defense cannot get a stop late in the game, and there is nothing he can do when teams run the ball play after play after play, winding the clock down. What he can do is execute the plays that are called for him by the coaches, and run the offense efficiently.

You just said it yourself... Manning couldnt score a TD. The reason they won was their defense, NOT Peyton Manning or anyone else. God forbid the Jets ever won a game in such a manner; it would be relentless Chad bashing. But, since it was the all-mighty Peyton Manning, he gets a pass, and the defense is praised.

But, due to some peoples' curious pre-determined disdain for Pennington, they try to spin the playoffs as a way to prove Chad will never win with this team. Meanwhile, Rex f***ing Grossman is in the NFC Championship game. You know why? HE HAS A COMPLETE TEAM.

If this team gets a #1 RB, an experienced O-line, an actual nose tackle, someone not named Van Oelhoffen at DE, and a good cornerback and they underperform, then it is time to put some more blame on Chad. But, for the time being, he gives the team a chance to win everygame thanks to his accuracy and smarts.
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yea give chad the bears D and we definitely would be in the superbowl..............yea right!..............if Jets played in the NFC maybe, but in the AFC they would have still lost with the bears D........Bears IMO dont even have the best D in the league the ravens do (and they're out) and they have been playing pretty bad of late and all that talk about Best D ever stopped back in what? week 6? ..........you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............I love chad just as much as the next jet fan and he is the 2nd best QB in franchise history but if he doesnt even have the ability to bring us back from a deficit "The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. "
he doesnt belong starting for any team who wants to win the superbowl.....if you want to win the superbowl you have to be able bring your team back period........end of story.....bring in Clemens
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 15 2007, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yea give chad the bears D and we definitely would be in the superbowl..............yea right!..............if Jets played in the NFC maybe, but in the AFC they would have still lost with the bears D........Bears IMO dont even have the best D in the league the ravens do (and they're out) and they have been playing pretty bad of late and all that talk about Best D ever stopped back in what? week 6? ..........you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............I love chad just as much as the next jet fan and he is the 2nd best QB in franchise history but if he doesnt even have the ability to bring us back from a deficit "The only place where he falls short is his inability to bring the team back from behind. "
he doesnt belong starting for any team who wants to win the superbowl.....if you want to win the superbowl you have to be able bring your team back period........end of story.....bring in Clemens


Correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a great D and balanced offense there aren't many times you have to come from behind and the Bears rarely had to do so this year.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (BradSmith16 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think a playmaker would do well in the afc

I wonder who that would be......
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 15 2007, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you got the brett farve syndrome......no matter how many years his skills decline and proves that the young kid sittin behind him deserves a shot you wont get over his past glory .........get real............

How exactly have Chads skills declined? His arm looked no stronger or weaker this year then it ever has. And how has Clemens proved anything? He's done nothing but ride the bench. Have you been to every practice the Jets held this year and seen that Clemens is a far superior QB to Chad? And if he is, then why hasn't mangini started him already? Well I got news for you. Chad will most definitely win the starting job again in TC. I guess you'll have to sit there and pout all season long, or until Chad gets injured.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 02:01 PM

Maybe because the O-line needed time, there is a reason why Mangini puts Clemens in at the junk time during the 4th over Ramsey. Because Clemens needs to get acclimated to the NFL.
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