[vilmatime51]

According to ESPN and the Daily News, Steinbrenner will fire Torre and replace him with Lou Pinella.

Joe is the man! he will be missed!

[Fatman]

NOOOOOOO they cant fire Torre he is the man and then replace him with lou pinella whats this world coming to

[penningtonpays]

theres steinbrenner for ya

[smallguy]

I would hate to see Joe go, but it might just be for the better. I hope the yankees get Girardi, regardless of what the New York Daily News is reporting.

[Jetsfan0099]

They will get Lou. It is good too, because I really think that this team needs a change at the top at Manager.
They also need to bring in new pitchers like Barry Zito.

[smallguy]

They will get Lou. It is good too, because I really think that this team needs a change at the top at Manager.
They also need to bring in new pitchers like Barry Zito.

They need to get rid of everyone on there Pitching Staff besides Wang. Sadly that is going to be hard because pavano and Johnson and Johnson are still under contract. (unless he retires) I think Zito will go to the Mets.

[vilmatime51]

theres steinbrenner for ya

exactly! an owner who will do anything to put his team in a chance to win..

[Jetsfan0099]

They need to get rid of everyone on there Pitching Staff besides Wang. Sadly that is going to be hard because pavano and Johnson and Johnson are still under contract. (unless he retires) I think Zito will go to the Mets.

Mike Mussina is still good he can stay.
Your not talking about relief right? Because Rivera is a must stay.
I think the Yanks, need to get Willis, and Zito.
I think the Yankees can get Zito, they would pay him more and some players on the team has been recruiting him.

[JetsOhFive]

exactly! an owner who will do anything to put his team in a chance to win..

He's the reason the Yankees haven't won the World Series. That Genius seriously believes if he puts a bunch of all stars together they will automatically win the World Series. It's all about Chemistry, I don't think he's smart enough to look at all of the teams that knocked his team out in the past 5 years to realize that.

[smallguy]

Mike Mussina is still good he can stay.
Your not talking about relief right? Because Rivera is a must stay.
I think the Yanks, need to get Willis, and Zito.
I think the Yankees can get Zito, they would pay him more and some players on the team has been recruiting him.

No our relief is fine, Rivera is still the best closer ever. Mussina blew game 2 and is old and wants a big deal most likely. Zito is going to the Mets because there pitching coach was his old pitching coach when he was really good. Willis would be nice but we would have to give up a lot to get him, there is no way in hell the Marlins want A-rod. The Pitchers I want in the offseason are Ted lilly, Andy Pettitte if we can get him for a small deal and Gil Meche. Our Rotation is then Wang, Lilly, Pettitte, Meche and Johnson. Is it a great rotation, no, is better than what we had this year, possibly.

He's the reason the Yankees haven't won the World Series. That Genius seriously believes if he puts a bunch of all stars together they will automatically win the World Series. It's all about Chemistry, I don't think he's smart enough to look at all of the teams that knocked his team out in the past 5 years to realize that.

When the Yankees where really good (1996-2001) They had chemistry, clutch hitting, good-great Defense and great pitching. I hope steinbrenner relizes this and looks back at how good they where and starts building the way we once where.

[green_blood]

maybe lou piniella will do what he did in tampa bay. start the game with rivera and end it with johnson. i will actually kinda feel sorry for the yanks if torre was fired and piniella hired. i liked torre and the pre 2000 (it ended in 2000)yankee world series teams. the so called best team money can buy was shut down by the amazin tigers.(yes the tigers if they even go to the world series have earned the title of amazin in my book) the tigers worry me about their pitching if they and the mets reach the world series.

[Jetsfan0099]

maybe lou piniella will do what he did in tampa bay. start the game with rivera and end it with johnson. i will actually kinda feel sorry for the yanks if torre was fired and piniella hired. i liked torre and the pre 2000 (it ended in 2000)yankee world series teams. the so called best team money can buy was shut down by the amazin tigers.(yes the tigers if they even go to the world series have earned the title of amazin in my book) the tigers worry me about their pitching if they and the mets reach the world series.

I actually feel that it is time for the Yankees to fire Joe Torri, he hasnt gotten the job done.

He's the reason the Yankees haven't won the World Series. That Genius seriously believes if he puts a bunch of all stars together they will automatically win the World Series. It's all about Chemistry, I don't think he's smart enough to look at all of the teams that knocked his team out in the past 5 years to realize that.

Dude, the Yankees lost because of the pitching. Pitching wins championships. The Yanks havent had a good rotation since Clemens and Pettit was here.
They do need Chemistry though, I think they should keep Melky at LF to start off the year and get rid of Matsui.
Or move Melky to CF and move Damon to LF and have Abreu at RF. But I would keep Melky as a starter next year. He is good.

No our relief is fine, Rivera is still the best closer ever. Mussina blew game 2 and is old and wants a big deal most likely. Zito is going to the Mets because there pitching coach was his old pitching coach when he was really good. Willis would be nice but we would have to give up a lot to get him, there is no way in hell the Marlins want A-rod. The Pitchers I want in the offseason are Ted lilly, Andy Pettitte if we can get him for a small deal and Gil Meche. Our Rotation is then Wang, Lilly, Pettitte, Meche and Johnson. Is it a great rotation, no, is better than what we had this year, possibly.
When the Yankees where really good (1996-2001) They had chemistry, clutch hitting, good-great Defense and great pitching. I hope steinbrenner relizes this and looks back at how good they where and starts building the way we once where.

Mussina also has been doing bad since he had that injury this year. I say keep him.
He would atleast be good as a 3rd pitcher.
I would make a huge run for Zito though, Damon and Giambi have been trying to recruit him. He would be smart to stay in the AL also.
If you cant get him then get Willis. The Yanks need a big time pitcher. They need a new Ace.
Wang is good though, he has alot of promise.

[Ouda147]

joe takin the fall for a-rods futility

[Long Time Jet Fan]

Looks like Torre is staying for now, which is a mistake. Some observations and responses to posts above.

1. Torre's time has run it's course. Yeah, he's got some positives but he's one of the most overrated mangers in baseball. Seriously, how many great moves have you seen the guy make? He very often makes bad decisions regarding batting orders and pitching substitutions. His biggest asset is keeping the clubhouse together, but that doesn't win World Series.

2. Chemistry is way overrated in baseball. It's much more of an individual sport than football, basketball, or hockey. Saying the Yankees didn't win the World Series because of chemistry is absurd. See the ball, throw the ball, catch the ball, hit the ball, run the bases, etc. What chemistry is needed for that? Yes it helps some in the clubhouse but on the field it's hardly an issue.

3. The Yankees lost because of pitching; they don't have enough live arms. Wang is great. Mussina is over the hill and made an absolutely terrible 0-2 pitch in game two. Johnson is a waste. I don't care how many games he won, he's not going to succeed in the World Series with 5.something ERA. None of the suggestions I've seen above make sense to me. I'd go after Zito (I don't think he's signed at this point) and then some flamethrowers. Wang, Zito, and three new guys is what I'd go for starters. No Pettitte, No Mussina, No Johnson, No Lidle. No more soft-armed guys. You've got two in Wang and Zito. Get some others who can bring it. Of course this will never happen. Johnson is around for sure and at $16M a total waste. How do you give that much money to a player who's going to be that old? Anyway, I'm not sure of the answer here (I don't know who Matsuzaka is) but the suggestions above aren't going to cut it.

4. The Yankees should ditch Sheffiled and use the money on a pitcher. I like Sheffield but they need to get younger and improve the pitching staff.

5. I hate to say it, but ditch A-Rod. Enough already. He simply feasts on mediocre to bad pitching and does squat against good pitching, which is what you see in the post season. Really, can someone tell me the last time they saw A-Rod get a clutch hit against a really good pitcher? Trade him for an established pitcher and some young arms and move on.

There's probably more but that's all that comes to mind at this point.

[vilmatime51]

You got a link? or something that it says Torre isin't leaving?!?!

they had a press confrence earlier and it was announced that Steinbrenner told him hes coming back..i posted a thread about it earlier..

Torre Will Continue As Manager In '07-yankees.com