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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
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Do You Think Leon Washington?

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 11:20 AM

Can be a featured back? Do you guys think he can be? I personaly dont know really yet, I have a good feeling about him, but not so sure yet. I think that if we revamp our offensive line more, then he can be a great RB. I think that he could easily have a 1,200 yard season if we give him the rock. Will see what happens...
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:01 PM

i think he can, he should had gotten more carries IMO
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

I think he is a role player and will be an excellent change of pace back and reciever out of the backfield...all you have to do is get him in space...as he is one of the best in the league with room to run.

But I could be wrong...I don't think he'll ever be a true feature back...but he may be able to handle most of the load with a big back to supplant him every once in a while.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:26 PM

Yes. Brian Westbrook is a featured back and a fantasy gem. Why can't Leon be the same? I actually think Leon is better in space than Westbrook is. None the less, he still needs a thumper to go out there and help him physically wear down a defense, so.... traditional featured back..... no. He's not a Portis or LT by any stretch. I think we should use him our Atlanta uses Warrick Dunn.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 12:32 PM

We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:08 PM

yes at first i doubted him but after watching him i feel he can be a mix between westbrook and tiki barber.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:11 PM

I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 28 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he's neither a feature back nor a 3rd down back, he's in between. I think he might need a guy (like Cedrick Houston) to get a few extra carries. Maybe get like a 75-25 mix in with Washinton getting the bulk of them. Was he the featured back at FSU???



i dont think houston can stay healthy enough we need to draft a guys to split the carries with washington
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.



I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:41 PM

Good point. I agree.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've talked about this a million times. No he's not a featured back. He's not an every down back. If he was we would not be talking about trading or drafting a RB. He's a Dave Meggett type RB. A third down specialists. That's all.

yes but we also r looking for a RB(some of us anyways) because we dont know how good he is i think(well i believe that is some ppl's mind set), however i believe he just needs more carries to prove himself. i dont think he will get the amount of carries that could show he could be a franchise RB this year either though if we keep barlow or draft a RB because then it seems like we would be looking to do a "RB by committee" thing. and if we dont think he can be a franchise RB, i think we should at least have him split carries with the ppl we get or the ppl we have, but if we do it with the ppl we have, we should have him get the majority of the carries unlike last year. however depending on who we get if any1 in FA or the draft, it would determine who gets the majority of the carries. if we were to get some1 like michael turner, i think he should be the one not getting the majority of the carries until proven otherwise but i think at least for the first year or couple years we should if we draft a RB leon should get the majority, because even though hes only ahead of them by 1 year, i think he should still get the majority of the carries unless proven otherwise by a RB we were to draft
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 01:46 PM

Off the bat next season I dont think he can i think he still needs some more time in the NFL. Look at Westbrook and Barber they both needed time to develop into a feature back.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think people get too caught up in trying to compare players to other players in the league or from the past. Its stupid to pidgeonhole someone saying they are a third down specialist simply because they are smaller than the prototypical RB.

What you look for in a RB is the ability to see the holes provided by the offensive line and hit those holes quickly and make people miss. Leon has shown that ability. He has also shown toughness in his running and punt returns which shows me although he has a small frame he is not weak.

Obviously it would be nice to have another running back who is a bit more physical to wear down the defense, but every team in the league now is mostly looking for at least two running backs who can contribute prominently. I think provided enough carries and a better run blocking offensive line Leon could defenitly put up very respectable yardage.

Good point! I like how the Cowboys use their RBs. They run Julius Jones in the 1st half, then in the 2nd use Marion Barber, who is a bit bigger and is more physical, and they just destroy them that way, with Barber nailing them in the 2nd half. W/e we do, Leon Washington needs the ball. Hes a gamechanger! He has excellent vision, and patience. He is also pretty decent up the middle, since he does have that vision, and is small so teams dont see him and he runs up the gut and then always seems to stumble for some yards instead of just getting nailed. He has very strong legs, and obivously very fast and quick. I for one want to see him get the load this year before we decide on getting another back. I rather go after Brian Leonard, who can be our Mike Alstott, and be our FB/RB, he can be the short yardage guy and goal line guy, along with 3rd downs, since he is great at Pass blocking and has great hands. I am wishing everyday that our backfield next year is Washington and Leonard.. Please let it happen.........
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

Yes he can be. all that needs to be said.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:02 PM

we'll find out if we don't get turner of lynch
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (reg83ny @ Jan 28 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No...Some players are specialist. Leon can,t run in the middle. Especially against a good front 4. He got swallowed up against the pats in the middle. They called them 3rd down backs for a reason. I didn't just come up with the term. Leon is no Juluis Jones or Marion Barber.


I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the Pats run D was #2 in the league or something similar, so it wasn't just Leon who was getting stuffed in the middle. I'm not saying he's the next LT or anything, but a 3rd down back typically is a guy who has a limited skill set like catching out of the backfield and blocking blizters (Think Kevin Faulk). They can't really run 20 times a game with any consistency.

Leon has shown in a few games that given enough carries he can gain 100 yards. So while I didn't say you imagined up the term, I also don't think its evident Leon can only be a specialist. He has the skill set one looks for in a back vision, toughness and the ability to make people miss. Hes not going to break tackles like Jamal Lewis, but neither is Reggie Bush and he's going to be a "Featured Back"

The fact that we are even having the argument shows that he should be at least given a shot. I doubt people in a Pats forum are debating whether Kevin faulk can shoulder the load with Maroney once Dillon leaves.


That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.

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