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HarlemHxC814 Icon : (03 March 2015 - 07:44 PM) Throw in Ivory/Powell or a pick
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 March 2015 - 07:45 PM) Damn they got Shady
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 March 2015 - 07:45 PM) Do NOT give up Ivory
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 March 2015 - 07:45 PM) Powell ok Ivory HELL NO
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 March 2015 - 07:50 PM) Well that definitely opens the door for CJ Spiller to the JETS now that the Jills got Shady
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:12 AM) Spiller is a joke. 99 % of the time he gets tackled for a loss or a 1 or 2 yard gain maximum. He breaks a run here and there. he had one good year in his whole career. their is a reason he is a backup and not the starter. I suggest you guys that believe Spiller has anything to offer go through the play by play game logs. I did and he is horrendous.
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:14 AM) Spiller cannot break a tackle period. I broke down last years game logs of his runs in a thread last year. He isn't even a pass catching rb. Fred Jackson catches most of the running back passes.
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:20 AM) Unless Spiller comes tremendously cheap no thank you. Wouldn't pay more than a one year deal worth 1 million at most. All he has is speed. Not even on Sproles level. His stats are inflated. For instance he has 10 runs in a game and 9 of them are losses are or 1-2 yard runs. Then he breaks one on the outside for 40-70 yards. Not reliable at all. Even when he break one he is guaranteed a td
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:21 AM) Even in his 1200 yard rushing year he only had 6 tds rushing and 2 receiving
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:23 AM) Spiller is only valuable as a special teams player. Period By year 2010 ) tds rshng 1 rcvng 283 yards rshng
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:31 AM) meant 0 tds rushing in 2010, 2011 4 tds 561 yards rushing 2tds receiving, 2012 6tds 1244 rushing 2 tds receiving, 2013 2tds 933 yards rushing 0tds receiving, 2014 0tds 300 yards rushing 1td receiving.
ROBJETS Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:41 AM) His stats look decent on paper but if you actually go through the game logs of his career like I did his stats are extremely inflated. For instance one game last year he had 10 attempts for 8 yards another 4 attempts for -4 yards, another 6 attempts for 19 yards, another 10 attempts for 25 yards.Another game he had 12 games for 69 yards but 47 of it was on one play. Point is he sucks as a running back. Who wants a rb that gets stopped 99% of the time and breaks one play fir a long run. We need reliable backs not a slim chance of him breaking one
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:06 AM) "NFL released its first 2015 League Year cap report to teams. Teams w/most room: 1) Jaguars $64.058M; 2) Jets $52.901; 3) Raiders $52.598M."
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:06 AM) #2 baby
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 AM) WE DID IT!
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 AM) thnx idzik
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:09 AM) RE-HIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:10 AM) Well in all fairness, when I think about the Jets I do think about number two
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:30 AM) FIRE MACCAGNAN
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:30 AM) The Jaguars hired John Idzik for his expertise in contract negotiating
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:36 AM) ppl are going to get paid this offseason.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:36 AM) so many teams have space
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:39 AM) eagles have 48M in cap space. Chip is going to go HAM this offseason.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:35 PM) @RapSheet: The #Bills have traded for Matt Cassel, the team announced.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:43 PM) rex is gearing up his team
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:43 PM) a QB that won't turn it over. 2 stud Rbs for ground and pound and will now start building his defense
azjetfan Icon : (04 March 2015 - 01:49 PM) McCoys agent said the trade is not final and he hinted that he may not be willing to play there.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 04:41 PM) @KristianRDyer: Source: If Marcus Mariota is at No. 6, Eagles will make trade with #Jets http://www.metro.us/...-mCQODxZ1xjBVA/ … via @metronewyork #NYJets
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:18 PM) Jets bringing in Kendall Langford and CHris Canty for visits
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:20 PM) Cassel blows
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 PM) I wouldn't mind trading down personally
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 09:48 AM) Vince Wilfork will be a FA. Pats will not pick up his $8 million option. Looks like they are gearing up to keep Revis.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:35 AM) Bears shopping Marshall for a mid round pick
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) What does his contract look like? Offer a 7th conditional 6th if we do something if the $$s are right.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 12:37 PM) He is almost due 9.6 million this year and has 2 years left. He is defiantly better than Harvin although a little older @ 30
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:55 PM) I'd rather sign Maclin or Cobb and then draft a WR early
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 02:55 PM) I am not real big on Cobb. I think he is a poor mans Harvin. Living in WI I watch most Packer games. He does have talent and he is a good receiver but without Rogers he will not be very good.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) looks like David Harris will go to the Bills, and I'm fine with that. Hes getting older and declining.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) i guess davis takes the MLB spot then pace on one side. who is on the other? barnes
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) babin maybe?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) coples moves to DE, richardson to DT, snacks at DT and wilk at DE
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:59 PM) its too early to tell. Our roster is not anywhere near where it will be come opening day.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:00 PM) Couples has had the most success when he was in a 4 man front though.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:19 PM) no
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 05:45 PM) CONSPIRACIES AND DREAMS NOTHING BUT CONSPIRACIES AND DREAMS
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:35 PM

uuummm...JetsOn......QUIT IT!!!

You're still fighting with yourself!
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:38 PM

Before I go just wanted to point out how you left out the part that says Belichick is still there, he is more important than the coordinators so he will keep them from collapsing into a 6-10 team. And I would not be shocked to see them atop the AFC again. Yes the team has changed my point was that Belichick will keep them a contender. Once again both of us are stating opinions. Not facts. The season is coming. Time will tell. Go Jets. I'm out.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:39 PM

Why dont you try to mind your own business? I have nothing to say to you Miami. And your real cute to purposely misspell my ID. You are real cool bud.
I already explained what my purpose was and you have no say in anything.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:44 PM

Ok, glad I'm cute, but how did I mispell your name? I actually tried to get it right. Or is that a zero? In which case I don't understand your name at all?

This forum is for all of us! It is public right? Well then I do have a say in it, if you wanted a personal *beep*-fight with nightowl pm him, if not, I'm going to give my two cents....it's my opinion! I suggest you learn what that is!
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:47 PM

Lowercase j and a zero not an "O".
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jul 15 2005, 05:19 PM)
Ok, glad I'm cute, but how did I mispell your name?  I actually tried to get it right.  Or is that a zero?  In which case I don't understand your name at all?

This forum is for all of us!  It is public right?  Well then I do have a say in it, if you wanted a personal *beep*-fight with nightowl pm him, if not, I'm going to give my two cents....it's my opinion!  I suggest you learn what that is!


Very true about a public forum. Wonderful I am glad, then have an opinion on the topic at hand and not on my personality problems. Comment on whether Coaching is important and whether or not losing 2 coordinators will hurt the Patriots. And dont call me names or it will get ugly.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:50 PM

i still don't understand your name?


And you own the name-calling record.


And with that I'm done with this topic, have fun with yourself jets0n
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:53 PM

Well I dont know what to tell you.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jul 15 2005, 05:25 PM)
i still don't understand your name?
And you own the name-calling record.
And with that I'm done with this topic, have fun with yourself jets0n


Real cool bud. Thanks for being so cool, I bet you really scored points with everyone showing how cool you are. You can be a little pissy girl because I refused to aknowledge you as a participant in what is being said here. I dont mind.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 04:03 PM

I still dont understand how coaching is important, yet since Belichick [ owning 5 rings ] is the exception to the rule. Last time I checked there was a coaching staff and OC and DC's. Each is responsible for their side of the football. Offensive Coordinator runs the offense and Defensive Coordinator runs the defense. That's how it works. Sorry to dissapoint, but Belichick doesnt call the offense regardless of how much you are in love with him. Otherwise he would be like Brian Billick and wouldn't have hired an OC at all. But Billick obviously knows that you can't do both successfully which is why he hired Fasell as an OC to run the offense.

Now I did say that occasionally Head Coaches will veto what a Coordinator is doing, but that doesn't mean they are running the offense. So losing Coordinators on both sides of the ball WILL have an effect on a team.

Hence, that's why we went from horrible on defense to great on defense in 1 season after hiring Donnie Henderson. That's why we are expecting to go from inept on offense to great and explosive in the hiring of Dinger.

I can't believe I had to explain this so many times.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 04:22 PM

By the way, if this was only about one man stating his opinion then why were mine and others opinions attacked? Go to page 1 that's where this all started. I was told my posts weren't rational. So in actuality, when they got proved wrong they turned it on me and said I was forcing my opinion on them, which wouldn't have happened if I wasn't spoken of this way:

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Make a rational point and I'll respond in a rational manner. But it's not a one way street.


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Its post like that, that make people on this site look dumb


So let me ask you, who was being attacked for their opinion? All I did was defend myself with logical questions and once they figured out that I had made them look like a fool on losing 1 player rather than losing coordinators then they wouldn't answer my questions anymore. Then I was told I need "anger management" and that I am forcing my opinions on people when I was merely defending myself for being called stupid and irrational. So incase people like HurricaneJet32 want to jump into something and start pointing fingers when they dont know they situation I have outlined it completely. That's all ... I am done with this.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 07:45 PM

Holy cow jets0n (I.m scared to spell it wrong now) I haven't seen you this wound up since...well, since I first got on the board and did it. I'm always nervous when I get on after not being on for a day and their is a 3+ page thread, I should learn to just skip them.

Well, well...all right. NE lost their coordinators, both talented guys that were arguably the best at their position. Anyone that comes in to fill in for someone that is one of the very best at what they do is going to be a downgrade, at least to some extent. Still (and if someone has said this, forgive me, because I skimmed after mouthes started frothing over), Eric Mangini is a hot coaching prospect that teams have showed a real interest in over the last few years. Can he replace Crennel? Probably not, and certainly not right away.

Now, I don't really get what is going on with the OC...why exactly that isn't getting addressed and what exactly Belichick will be doing offensivly. So to me, yes, that is an area of concern. But, I don't think there are many teams in the league (history) with an offense that has won three Super Bowls, and I can't ignore any offense with two HoF players and a SB MVP on it.

So to sum it up, the NE Patriots have suffered two (potentially three) big hits this offseason. Weis left, Crennel left, and Bruschi may miss the season. As I already said, Mangini should keep the defense from dropping off (especially still having some very nice talent in it).
To me, the Patriots are going to drop off some, it is hard to imagine them not, but what is a realistic fall? They still have talent all around, a coach who (whatever anyone says) has taken three teams to the promised land, and have all that experience spread around. I've said this time and time again, the Patriots are still a solid contender for the playoffs, and a team with this much playoff experience and tested players is doubly dangerous come the postseason. As far as I'm concerned, the Patriots have to be exposed thourghly and fully before I am ready to discount them.
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 12:48 AM

LOL ... please dont tell me it was over Mike Vick that you last saw me riled up cause that is a sore subject as well. All I want is for people to give credit where credit is due, and it's not fair that Romeo and Charlie get looked at by some as pawns to Belichick when they are the ones that made HIM famous not the other way around. That's all. I agree though I did get really heated but only after others on this board as well as myself ( notice how I mentioned others first ) were critisized for thinking anything bad about the Pats. I am sick of hearing about them and as a FOOTBALL fan I see the Pats in trouble, not as a Jets fan. But yeah I sure was pissed about it and sort of still am which is why I am on here at 1:37AM.

I guess I got carried away at being called irrational and illogical and stupid from people who aren't even involved in 3/4 of what goes on here on NYJetsFan.com.

By the way, dont read this the wrong way, I am in NO WAY apologizing to anyone. Those guys know shit about football and I intended to prove it by pressing them for a response which they continually dodged by resorting to name calling. I know I told them they were stupid but atleast I gave them a way to prove why they weren't and they wouldn't. All they told me was I was stupid and needed anger management. What kind of football talk is that? I just wasn't gonna let them off until they proved that they contradicted themselves especially after insulting me and Herminator and Loco.

You know what I am talking about a1elbow.
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 16 2005, 02:23 AM)
LOL ... please dont tell me it was over Mike Vick that you last saw me riled up cause that is a sore subject as well. All I want is for people to give credit where credit is due, and it's not fair that Romeo and Charlie get looked at by some as pawns to Belichick when they are the ones that made HIM famous not the other way around. That's all. I agree though I did get really heated but only after others on this board as well as myself ( notice how I mentioned others first ) were critisized for thinking anything bad about the Pats. I am sick of hearing about them and as a FOOTBALL fan I see the Pats in trouble, not as a Jets fan. But yeah I sure was pissed about it and sort of still am which is why I am on here at 1:37AM.

I guess I got carried away at being called irrational and illogical and stupid from people who aren't even involved in 3/4 of what goes on here on NYJetsFan.com.

By the way, dont read this the wrong way, I am in NO WAY apologizing to anyone. Those guys know shit about football and I intended to prove it by pressing them for a response which they continually dodged by resorting to name calling. I know I told them they were stupid but atleast I gave them a way to prove why they weren't and they wouldn't. All they told me was I was stupid and needed anger management. What kind of football talk is that? I just wasn't gonna let them off until they proved that they contradicted themselves especially after insulting me and Herminator and Loco.

You know what I am talking about a1elbow.

This is the most bizarre thread I've ever seen. You just can't leave it alone. Here you are back again in the middle of the night still repeating your mantra over and over and over and over and aiming more vitriol my way. There's obviously something about Belichick, me or both that really sets you off to continue this long. Do you really expect to "convert" me to your way of thinking somehow? How could you possibly think that? You lost me somewhere around the time you started calling me lots of not so nice names simply because I happen to disagree with you. Well in a public forum that's just too bad. Football is a passion for me as well as you but I know where to draw the line, say we agree to disagree and move on. Everyone else has also been trying to tell you that this thread should have been over about 40 posts ago. Your response? You turned on your own fellow Jets fans and started calling them all names as well. What did you think you could possibly gain from all of this? This is supposed to be just a FUN DIVERSION where football fans can exchange ideas--everyone's ideas. Is that not the point? Here's a solution--just put me on ignore and I can't bother you and we'll both be happy. Fair enough?
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 08:29 AM

Not an option. I gave you the solution already, watch how you talk to people on here otherwise this will be a common occurrence. Dont critisize my posts or others on here and I wont vehemently set out to make you look like a little school girl when it comes to football. End of story. wink.gif
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 09:03 AM

guys this is now the premier board going! Do we need these kind of battles? I suggest that you both go private and argue there. There is room for a difference of opinion on this board in my opinion. There is also room for civility and respect for each other's right to an opinion without rancor!
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 11:30 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 16 2005, 10:04 AM)
Not an option. I gave you the solution already, watch how you talk to people on here otherwise this will be a common occurrence. Dont critisize my posts or others on here and I wont vehemently set out to make you look like a little school girl when it comes to football. End of story. wink.gif

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Posted 16 July 2005 - 11:37 AM

I am here now, you may continue.
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 16 2005, 12:23 AM)
You know what I am talking about a1elbow.


Having been on the other side of the fence with you several times (although I doubt it was about Vick, I'm usually pretty down on him too), I do know what you are talking about.

Really though, I think you and Nightowl are two of the more knowledgeable members on the site and your not as far apart on this argument as it seems. Early bad blood probably kept you guys from seeing seach other's points at the start.


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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:25 AM

QUOTE (nightowl @ Jul 15 2005, 01:14 PM)
I could defend this post but instead I'll just say you're absolutely right. No doubt about it. The Patriots are in total disarray and Belichick cries in his office every night because Charlie knew where to get really good pizza. The pressure of Super Bowls was nothing compared to Brady's calling a few audibles this year and he'll suffer a nervous breakdown right on the field. Bruschi is absolutely gone for the season.  All of the workouts, running and classroom work he's doing are nothing more than a smokescreen. Belichick has been living a lie all of these years as well. He has never drawn up a game plan or actually overruled Charlie Weis on a playcall and will be exposed as a coaching "lightweight". The stories Roger Staubach has told of an 11 year old Belichick studying film for him at Navy looking for opposition tendencies--all lies. All of this makes the Jets now a prohibitive favorite to go to Detroit.  Now can I be an honorary Jets fan?



Finally a Pats fan that talks some sense ..of corse you can be a Jets fan .. we'll even help you burn all that pesky Patsies stuff you've got hanging around :toungue:


seriously though I'm gonna lock this topic before it gets any worse .. although it seems to have died down a bit

Im not choosing sides or saying who is right or wrong .. because after page 3 of this topic my head felt like it was gonna explode and Ive just skipped to the end

Id like to see us keep arguments on the subject of football and not go after each other personally .. hey nobody hates the pats more than me .. but as memebrs of a FOOTBALL ALLIANCE nyjetsfan.com members should know that fans of all teams are welcome here .. and there will be PLENTY as the season starts .. we had them last year and aside from the steelers crew we managed to have a pretty good time of it .. lets try to keep it sociable in here


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