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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Hermanator @ Jul 15 2005, 02:56 PM)
Nightowl, I didn't disappear from a thread.  Just didn't keep up with it.  I am a very busy man running a business and can't really keep up with all the responses in threads.  To be honest, I can't believe I'm even engaging with a fan from another team on a Jets forum.

I'm willing to give you a mulligan on the first part. I run a business as well and things can suddenly get very busy. As to the second part--where's the love? hi.gif
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 03:06 PM)
Oh my god you are dumb so I will quote myself again:

QUOTE (For the idiot Pats fan)
Yeah well you haven't done it yet because you some how feel that coaching isn't a big deal yet you think your coach can do anything so yet coaching is everything at the same time so which one is it?


If you can't understand this then I am going to end all converstation with you.


I appreciate it--thanks. Can I count on that for the future as well? I'll be sure to leave you to your rants as well. Have a good season.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:34 PM

One more time, Is coaching important or isn't it? It's that simple. Because you say losing Coordinators [ coaches ] isn't important, yet your team is still great because of it's coach. If you can't see the paradox here you are helpless.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:35 PM

Why wont you answer my question? Cause you know I out-smarted you and you wont admit it.

You not answering the question just proves that, by your own words, coaching is the reason the Pats were winners. And that means that by losing Coordinators you are in worse shape then you are willing to admit.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 03:10 PM)
Why wont you answer my question? Cause you know I out-smarted you and you wont admit it.

I thought you promised to end all conversation with me. Aren't you a man of your word? wink.gif
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jul 15 2005, 02:19 PM)
Its post like that, that make people on this site look dumb


And since I just caught this you got some nerve saying shit like this when you have never had an opinion of your own on here bud. What makes you think you speak for everyone on this site anyway? You're right I do make people look dumb on this site, and its people like you and nightowl that look like fools for dodging my questions cause you know that I backed you into a corner with your own words. hysterical.gif
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (nightowl @ Jul 15 2005, 03:17 PM)
I thought you promised to end all conversation with me. Aren't you a man of your word? wink.gif


Still wont answer the question. Let this be a lesson for all: Dont try to reason with someone that wont be reasonable. They come up with cute little comebacks like "I thought you weren't talking to me" like they are in 3rd grade instead of being men and saying, "You know what that's a good point and you're right!" And even if I wasn't right, the fact that they wont answer the question to prove me wrong just proves that they know I am right, they just wont admit it.

Hell I know I am wrong sometimes and I have admitted it, just ask Loco and a1elbow or even Jetsfan115 or a few others on here. I admit it when I am wrong, but I dont take shit from people like you 2 who think you can talk down on us and then when someone tells you that you are wrong you just cast it aside and ignore it. So whatever, say whatever you will about it. I have proved everything that I wanted to. Good day!
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 03:20 PM)
And since I just caught this you got some nerve saying shit like this when you have never had an opinion of your own on here bud. What makes you think you speak for everyone on this site anyway? You're right I do make people look dumb on this site, and  its people like you and nightowl that look like fools for dodging my questions cause you know that I backed you into a corner with your own words.  hysterical.gif

Who looks like the fool. You're even turning on one of your own. Ever try anger management therapy? They can probably help you with your annoying habit of trying to label anyone who doesn't agree with you dumb or an idiot. Winning people over with ideas is laudable but you're just a cyber bully. How sad.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:54 PM

I was hoping you would respond to the question at hand but since all you do with your replies is antagonize me for proving you wrong with your arrogant "We are the champs" attitude just shows you aren't a football fan at all. Calling us biased? Saying we dont know what we are talking about? Then someone that does know what they are talking about comes up into your face and you can't handle it at all. But you tell people that they have "anger management" issues and that they are "cyber bullies", what the hell are you talking about? You dont even know me for 1, number 2 you wont answer my question cause you know I made you contradict yourself. And since now I am pushing you for a response you wont do it, so I am a bully I guess.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:59 PM

Ok kids, let's get back to football and forget bout all this. drinks.gif
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:04 PM

That's precisly what I was attempting the whole time but I got cute little comments about my character and how I am a flawed individual instead of people answering the questions that they begged for.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 03:39 PM)
That's precisly what I was attempting the whole time but I got cute little comments about my character and how I am a flawed individual instead of people answering the questions that they begged for.

:rofl: :rofl: hold your rantings til the season start...you missed football that much?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:10 PM

I think were all suffering from a sever case of WTSSA (see explanation below)





Will
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Lol.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:12 PM

Incase you need proof as to why I took this so bluntly to him here it is in reply to my post:

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Make a rational point and I'll respond in a rational manner. But it's not a one way street.


This was implying that I post without reason and without rational logic. I take this as a personal attack not only on me but to the people on this board.

There you go bud. I was more than rational and you didn't respond. In fact I broke it down for you about 4 different ways and all you did was said I was, to quote you, "rambling". Then I break it down to even less, which by the way the first time I brought it up it was literally 1 or 2 sentences. However I get a queer 3rd grader response, which I would expect from a Pats fan. Then I force him to answer the question by putting it to a "Yes or No" and I get told I am a bully.

So obviously you dont have "the stones" to comment when someone brings a reasonable response to you. You didn't respond in a rational manner at all, you just made yourself look like a scared, whimpering puppy. Do us a favor and sign into a Pats fansite if you aren't gonna talk real football.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:15 PM

All I was saying is keep your arguements rational, don't start throwing insults around, you just make yourself look stupid. And I will attempt to answer your question that you gave to the Pats fan. He is saying, I think, that Belichick is more important than the coordinators. So yes he is saying they are going to be good because of their coaching. Yes he understand two coaches are leaving but that Belichick can overcome those losses and create two more good coordinators to help him out.

And the reason I was defending the Pats fan is because he usually is a good poster and a smart football fan. So i figured I would offer an unbiased, rational opinion, opposed to the normal " your an idiot pats fan your stupid." So once again don't take it personal.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:25 PM

You are just as helpless as him and this has absolutely nothing to do with biased opinions on my part but on his. And you obviously, as well as him, dont understand the importance of the Coordinators for you to say that Belichick is just gonna create 2 Head Coach quality Coordinators. You people are fools for thinking that Coordinators are know-nothings and have little responsibility in this league. You say coaching is important b/c Belichick is the best coach ever, but your lack of knowledge in football allows you to say at the same time that losing 2 coaches isn't a matter of importance cause we are talking about Belichick.

So I guess you are saying that Herm is 2nd grade to Belichick and that our Coordinator Donnie Henderson had nothing to do with the greatness that our Defense played last year. And what you are saying is that changing Offensive Coordinators is going to have no affect on our team because Herm is really calling the plays? I guess the Pats dont really need Coordinators cause they are so different from every single team in the league cause you know exactly how their team is run. If those Coordinators were such know-nothings then why did both of them get Head Coaching jobs? Can't answer that one either can you. Bill could hire my sister to run the Offense and it wouldn't matter cause really Bill is doing all of the play calling. NEWSFLASH: THE LAST TIME BILL CALLED OFFENSIVE PLAYS HE WAS FIRED!!!!!! FROM THE BROWNS!!!!!!!!! Getting the point yet?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 04:00 PM)
You are just as helpless as him and this has absolutely nothing to do with biased opinions on my part but on his. And you obviously, as well as him, dont understand the importance of the Coordinators for you to say that Belichick is just gonna create 2 Head Coach quality Coordinators. You people are fools for thinking that Coordinators are know-nothings and have little responsibility in this league. You say coaching is important b/c Belichick is the best coach ever, but your lack of knowledge in football allows you to say at the same time that losing 2 coaches isn't a matter of importance cause we are talking about Belichick.

So I guess you are saying that Herm is 2nd grade to Belichick and that our Coordinator Donnie Henderson had nothing to do with the greatness that our Defense played last year. And what you are saying is that changing Offensive Coordinators is going to have no affect on our team because Herm is really calling the plays? I guess the Pats dont really need Coordinators cause they are so different from every single team in the league cause you know exactly how their team is run. If those Coordinators were such know-nothings then why did both of them get Head Coaching jobs? Can't answer that one either can you. Bill could hire my sister to run the Offense and it wouldn't matter cause really Bill is doing all of the play calling. NEWSFLASH: THE LAST TIME BILL CALLED OFFENSIVE PLAYS HE WAS FIRED!!!!!! FROM THE BROWNS!!!!!!!!! Getting the point yet?

This has gone beyond fun. I think everyone's starting to feel uncomfortable with all of this ranting. Time to chill, man.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jul 15 2005, 10:23 AM)
Ok. Yes all the other teams took hits but so did we with a john abe holdout, our number 1 CB retiring on a weak unit and our QB fresh off an injury so I wouldn’t say everything is great for us. I see us and the pats battling for the division this year.

WELL SAID! I do agree with you. Yoo many guys are blinded by their GREEN sunshades. baghead.gif
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:32 PM

Honestly please dont respond to this cause I am done with it. I understand now that Bill Belichick is GOD and can coach the offense and the defense at the same time, which seems odd considering they practice together so to give attention to them both in such greatness at the same time can only be done if you are Bill the football GOD. I understand that the Patriots team really doesn't need an OC or a DC because Bill does it all. Thank you for clearing this up for me.

Oh and the kicker, I forgot that Coordinators mean so little in the coaching world that you can hire a coach and in 1 season he turns your defense from shit into gold. I guess that wasn't his influence though.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jul 15 2005, 03:50 PM)
All I was saying is keep your arguements rational, don't start throwing insults around, you just make yourself look stupid. And I will attempt to answer your question that you gave to the Pats fan. He is saying, I think, that Belichick is more important than the coordinators. So yes he is saying they are going to be good because of their coaching. Yes he understand two coaches are leaving but that Belichick can overcome those losses and create two more good coordinators to help him out.

And the reason I was defending the Pats fan is because he usually is a good poster and a smart football fan. So i figured I would offer an unbiased, rational opinion, opposed to the normal " your an idiot pats fan your stupid." So once again don't take it personal.

also well said and to the point. What some of these GREEN sunglass wearing guys don't want to say is that BRADY is a vet QB who can and will help out in play calling. Also a true genius on DEFENSE has simply got to know and understand a lot of OFFENSE too. There in lies the BIG difference betwenn BELLYACHE and DUH HERM! :shout:
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