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Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (The Reverend @ Mar 17 2009, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you have a link or a source?


No, I got it from another forum. There wasnt a link or anything with it. So dont look to much into it. Rumors are flying all over right now lol you know?
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 04:47 PM

Jay Cutlers college career Vs Brett Ratliff


Jay Cutler
------CMP--ATT--YDS-CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004--147--241--1844-61.0 --7.65-80--10 -5 24----134.81
2005--273--462--3073-59.1 --6.65-47--21 -9 24----126.07

Brett Ratliff
------Att--Comp--Pct----Yds-----Td----Int-----Rating
2005 77---48-----62.3----642-----8-----2-----161.5
2006 391 228----58.3----2,796 ---23----9-----133.2

Ratty is lookin' sexy to me lately.

How was he ever undrafted?
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Mar 17 2009, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jay Cutlers college career Vs Brett Ratliff


Jay Cutler
------CMP--ATT--YDS-CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004--147--241--1844-61.0 --7.65-80--10 -5 24----134.81
2005--273--462--3073-59.1 --6.65-47--21 -9 24----126.07

Brett Ratliff
------Att--Comp--Pct----Yds-----Td----Int-----Rating
2005 77---48-----62.3----642-----8-----2-----161.5
2006 391 228----58.3----2,796 ---23----9-----133.2

Ratty is lookin' sexy to me lately.

How was he ever undrafted?

Because Ratty only started his senior season in college for Utah in a spread offense...



Junior college transfer who took over starting duties as a senior, Pos:ting 58.3%/2,796/23/9.

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Nice-sized pocket passer with marginal skill for the next level
. Patient, buys time for receivers and finds the open pass-catcher on the field. Sells the ball fakes, throws with an over-the-top delivery and puts zip on the short throws, getting the ball through the tight spots.

Neg:

Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun and is slow dropping into the pocket when lined up behind center. Does not have a quick release. Long passes hang in the air. Indecisive when pressured and makes questionable decisions.

He was still projected to be drafted in th 5th to 7th round....maybe after Alex Smith, teams shyed away...

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Mar 17 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jay Cutlers college career Vs Brett Ratliff


Jay Cutler
------CMP--ATT--YDS-CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004--147--241--1844-61.0 --7.65-80--10 -5 24----134.81
2005--273--462--3073-59.1 --6.65-47--21 -9 24----126.07

Brett Ratliff
------Att--Comp--Pct----Yds-----Td----Int-----Rating
2005 77---48-----62.3----642-----8-----2-----161.5
2006 391 228----58.3----2,796 ---23----9-----133.2

Ratty is lookin' sexy to me lately.

How was he ever undrafted?

Cutler played better teams and was on a terrible team to begin with. Also Ratliff played in a spread offense that puts up QB's numbers.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Mar 17 2009, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cutler played better teams and was on a terrible team to begin with. Also Ratliff played in a spread offense that puts up QB's numbers.


Thats your excuse?.. still doesn't make merit towards how come Ratty never even got drafted.

Make whatever kind of excuses you want the numbers are there.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Mar 17 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because Ratty only started his senior season in college for Utah in a spread offense...



Junior college transfer who took over starting duties as a senior, Pos:ting 58.3%/2,796/23/9.

Pos:

Nice-sized pocket passer with marginal skill for the next level
. Patient, buys time for receivers and finds the open pass-catcher on the field. Sells the ball fakes, throws with an over-the-top delivery and puts zip on the short throws, getting the ball through the tight spots.

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Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun and is slow dropping into the pocket when lined up behind center. Does not have a quick release. Long passes hang in the air. Indecisive when pressured and makes questionable decisions.

He was still projected to be drafted in th 5th to 7th round....maybe after Alex Smith, teams shyed away...


A lot similar to a scouting report from a guy up in New England when he was getting drafted I bet.

I don't know about the next guy but I gut checked mysekf I think we should roll the dice with Ratliff and Clemens. Too much at stake with Cutler and it's not like he'll have a Brandon Marshall to throw to.

Call me crazy but I think it's too much. The pretty girl is always the best choice.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Mar 17 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats your excuse?.. still doesn't make merit towards how come Ratty never even got drafted.

Make whatever kind of excuses you want the numbers are there.

Its not a excuse its facts. He has solid numbers playing a weak schedule in a pass friendly offense. He obviously didn't impress anyone at his workouts enough for anyone to take notice. Remember the Jets almost cut him as he was horrible at first. But they saw improvements one day and decided to hold onto him.


But still you can't look at the numbers of these kind of players. They aren't worth comparing as they were in two different situations. (Ratliff and Culter)
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Mar 17 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its not a excuse its facts. He has solid numbers playing a weak schedule in a pass friendly offense. He obviously didn't impress anyone at his workouts enough for anyone to take notice. Remember the Jets almost cut him as he was horrible at first. But they saw improvements one day and decided to hold onto him.


But still you can't look at the numbers of these kind of players. They aren't worth comparing as they were in two different situations. (Ratliff and Culter)



Perhaps but the bottom line to my argument is Cutler will be to much. We having pressing needs at DE soon. T.J might hold out and how about a true number 1.

Clemens very well could have been (should have been ) a 1st rd pick.
Ratliff is a guy trying to make a name. Their both on our roster and deserve a shot. I really think it's too much to give up and lets face it. IF Cutler isn't here by mandatory workouts it won't matter who we have under center. Cutler will need time to learn the system with him or without him were looking at 8-8
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 01:28 AM

Ratliff's stats are what they are. It's obvious why he didn't get drafted. He didn't perform bad by any means, but he he only started for one year and he didn't get standout numbers.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 10:16 AM

Jay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 18 - 11:12 am et

According to SI's Peter King, the Broncos are "hanging on to Jay Cutler and won't entertain discussion for him at this time."

The Broncos' current stance is to try to meet with Cutler sans agent Bus Cook, hoping the situation can be remedied. King believes the relationship is now beyond repair and that Cutler will be traded, with Denver's stance changing before the NFL Draft. King suggests the Bucs and the Jets as the "most fervent suitors."
Source: SI.com

Sal Paolantonio commenting on the difference in the Ryan and Mangini atmospheres in the building:
"It's like going from Alcatraz to Dorney Park."

It is better to destroy than create what is meaningless, so the picture will not be finished.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (The Reverend @ Mar 18 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 18 - 11:12 am et

According to SI's Peter King, the Broncos are "hanging on to Jay Cutler and won't entertain discussion for him at this time."

The Broncos' current stance is to try to meet with Cutler sans agent Bus Cook, hoping the situation can be remedied. King believes the relationship is now beyond repair and that Cutler will be traded, with Denver's stance changing before the NFL Draft. King suggests the Bucs and the Jets as the "most fervent suitors."
Source: SI.com

I doubt they hold onto him, they will end up trading him. How can you hold onto a QB who won't ever trust his HC again? Thats just asking to have a losing season, their owner even said that he sticks by the coaching staff and is disappointed that he may lose his star QB. Cutler will be traded IMO.



And Cutler isn't a bad attitude or w/e, he has every right to be upset. His HC is screwing him around! Cutler has made an attempt to fix this, but McDaniels has been leading him that he is going to trade him.


As far as Kerry Rhodes hating Cutler, I could give a crap. As long as our offense is on page with him Rhodes can hate him all he wants, a QB and safety don't have to be close at all.



I was content with staying with what we had because I didn't like any of the FA QBs out there, and I doubt we can land Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez.

I have little confidence in Brett Ratliff, I don't know him well enough. He did good against 3rd/practice squad type players. But what will he do in a REAL game? I have more confidence in Kellen Clemens right now because I have seen him play, and I don't think hes terrible. He was in a lose situation. He is the guy I think will end up being the starter.

But when you have a shot at a 25 year old franchise QB, you have to check it out. QB are way too important in this league, it is the MOST important position. I have seen 2 teams win SB without a quality QB, the Ravens and Bucs. But that was because their defenses played so good that they didn't need to score TDs. THe Bucs had like 3 INTs for TDs in the SB I think? The chances of this team winning a SB without a QB is small.

Jay Cutler is a extremely good QB, he is good in the pocket and is extremely accurate and has a great arm. Only has been in the league 3 years and never had under a 86 QB rating, thats pretty darn impressive in my book.

I wanted Jay Cutler in the 06 draft, and I will gladly take him still. Even if we give up 3 draft picks I would do it. Because once you have a QB that can play in this league, everything falls in place. We have a really good defense building up, but if we had a real QB we can be a force in this league! Cutler's INts would drop because he won't have to throw the ball 45-50 times a game like he did with the Broncos.

Cutler also has a 95 QB rating when behind and in the 4th quarter.

Our situation is good here, we have a HC that can communicate with his players. Players will trust him, they will want to play for him. Not like the coaches under the Belichick tree that seem to have a hard time communicating with players.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 11:13 AM


Link: Frontrunners for Cutler?
Posted on March 18th, 2009 by Bassett Although Peter King wrote yesterday that the Broncos are holding onto Jay Cutler tightly right now, he thinks that two teams — the Jets and the Bucs — are the most likely suitors.

The Jets proved last year they’ll stop at nothing to get what they want. What they wanted last year was Brett Favre, who turned out to be a one-year fix that cost New York its third-round pick in the 2009 draft. What they’ll want this year would be, they hope, a 10-year fix, and would cost far, far more. Owner Woody Johnson and GM Mike Tannenbaum will not be intimidated by the price for Cutler. I think New York, at the end of the day, will be tempted to pay more for Cutler than anyone else.

Would Denver be swayed by a package of first- and second-round picks, plus either of the young New York quarterbacks — Brett Ratliff or Kellen Clemens? I believe it may come to that.


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Posted 18 March 2009 - 11:33 AM

With Mike Tannenbaum at GM, you can never be too sure what this team is going to do. But you do know he'll stop at nothing to make this team better.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 01:29 PM

Just give Clemens and Ratliff a chance to battle it out, I really like all ive seend from Clemens and he won games with an aweful team with no o line. Draft him a wr and let the offense run and the defense play d, when you need him to win the game in the 4th quarter hell be able to lead the team on a drive.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 02:50 PM

For all you experts, heres word on ratliff from someone who actually watched the games of him in college.

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2. Did he run the Urban Meyer spread option his entire college career with the Utes, or did he ever operate out of more conventional pro formations?

Utah had run the spread option for the entire 2005 season, since Johnson was a spread-option quarterback. But Ratliff wasn't and had pretty much established himself as a pro-style quarterback. The final two games of the 2005 season saw little adjustments, but in 2006, with Ratliff not as conditioned on the spread, Utah adjusted its offense and built it around his strengths. There were bits of the spread option being used by the Utes, but not at the extent you saw during the 2003, 2004 and 2005 seasons (or the last two seasons with Johnson again leading Utah). With the lack of a spread-option quarterback, Ludwig opted to run a hybrid offense and often would line Ratliff up under center or in the 2006 season, use Eric Weddle for the option aspect of the offense.


http://www.ganggreennation.com/2009/3/16/7...ok-at-brett-rat

Its a 5 question interview, thats question #2.

So he wasnt a spread offense QB, which means those numbers are nice!
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 03:11 PM

S-dubb: No faith in Cotchery or in getting somebody for him to throw to through the draft?

Brandon Marshall is a thug, UCF represent; but Jerricho is good too.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (RaphAC @ Mar 18 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For all you experts, heres word on ratliff from someone who actually watched the games of him in college.



http://www.ganggreennation.com/2009/3/16/7...ok-at-brett-rat

Its a 5 question interview, thats question #2.

So he wasnt a spread offense QB, which means those numbers are nice!


Only reason I thought he was in a spread offense is because I knew Utah ran it, and the videos I've seen of Ratliff in college had him in the gun most of the time.

Also I read that he didn't pick up the offense that fast. Maybe a reason he wasn't drafted, he did take a while to show some signs here first year he was almost cut by the Jets.

I'm not sure about Ratliff, I need to see him more before I think hes a Tony Romo story.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 09:20 PM

id quickly give up Clemen's to get Cutler...Clemens is another Chad,he panics under pressure,only unlike Chad instead of throwin short passes,he thinks he can just bomb it down the field and pray for someone to catch it,f*** that...Keep Brett get rid of Clemens and bring Cutler here!!!
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (SokeSleezy @ Mar 18 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
id quickly give up Clemen's to get Cutler...Clemens is another Chad,he panics under pressure,only unlike Chad instead of throwin short passes,he thinks he can just bomb it down the field and pray for someone to catch it,f*** that...Keep Brett get rid of Clemens and bring Cutler here!!!


My question to you sir is, do you watch Jet football?
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Mar 19 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My question to you sir is, do you watch Jet football?



Guess not. Clemens was good in the 4th quarters of the 8 games he started.
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