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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Post icon  Posted 16 March 2009 - 06:16 PM

A Deeper Look at Brett Ratliff
by John B on Mar 16, 2009 - 11:00 AM EDT

Brett Ratliff will be in the thick of the competition to be the next starting quarterback of the New York Jets once training camp opens this summer. However, most fans know little about him aside from what they saw in limited preseason reps a year ago. To give more of a background about Ratliff, I asked Sean from Block U, SB Nation's University of Utah blog, five questions on the former Utes quarterback.

1. What is the story behind Ratliff starting at Utah?

Brett Ratliff was recruited by former Utah offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig in 2005. The Utes were set on Brian Johnson replacing Alex Smith in the 2005 season, though Ratliff was picked as a backup if anything were to happen. Unfortunately for Utah, on the final drive of the second to last game of the season, Johnson was injured and lost for their big showdown against their rivals, BYU. Johnson was in the process of leading Utah on a game-winning drive when he went out and Ratliff stepped in, threw a first down and then an interception, ending any chance Utah had of winning that game. The loss dropped the Utes to 5-5 on the season and they entered their game against the Cougars needing a victory for any chance of receiving a bowl bid.

The game was played down in Provo and Ratliff was making his first official start for the Utes. No one gave Utah a chance. since they were without their starting quarterback and their best receiver, who had been lost earlier in the same game. Yet Ratliff stepped up and guided Utah to a 41-24 overtime victory over BYU. The win guaranteed the Utes a bowl berth and in that bowl game, Ratliff again would lead Utah to victory, this time over the nationally ranked Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets by a score of 38-10. Ratliff instantly became a hero for Utah fans, since he stepped in and saved the Utes' season. Since he was only a junior and it became obvious Johnson was not going to be able to return for the 2006 season, as a senior, Ratliff won the starting job and guided Utah to an 8-5 record. He ended his career with a 10-5 record at Utah, including two bowl victories.

2. Did he run the Urban Meyer spread option his entire college career with the Utes, or did he ever operate out of more conventional pro formations?

Utah had run the spread option for the entire 2005 season, since Johnson was a spread-option quarterback. But Ratliff wasn't and had pretty much established himself as a pro-style quarterback. The final two games of the 2005 season saw little adjustments, but in 2006, with Ratliff not as conditioned on the spread, Utah adjusted its offense and built it around his strengths. There were bits of the spread option being used by the Utes, but not at the extent you saw during the 2003, 2004 and 2005 seasons (or the last two seasons with Johnson again leading Utah). With the lack of a spread-option quarterback, Ludwig opted to run a hybrid offense and often would line Ratliff up under center or in the 2006 season, use Eric Weddle for the option aspect of the offense.

3. How would you compare him with Alex Smith, the last pro quarterback prospect from Utah?

Alex Smith was a very intelligent quarterback, but they both stepped into the starting position in very similar ways. Smith was a backup to Brett Elliott when Urban Meyer arrived from Bowling Green in 2003. However, in the second game of the season against Texas A&M, Elliott was injured while trying to go for the game-tying two-point conversion in the final seconds of that game. The injury ended his season and career with the Utes, throwing Smith into the starting role for their Thursday game against Cal. Smith would lead Utah to a late victory and then proceed to go 21-1 at Utah, including the 12-0 2004 season where the Utes became the first non-BCS team in history to play in a BCS bowl game. Ratliff did not have nearly the success at Utah and didn't pick up the spread-option as easily as Smith did. Smith wasn't recruited to run the spread-option, as he had been brought to Utah by Ron McBride's staff and McBride ran a more conventional offense here. Yet in 2003 -- and especially 2004 -- he ran the spread-option better than any quarterback I've ever seen.

So it's hard to compare the two. Smith is a legend at Utah and the most successful quarterback in school history, even though Johnson recently became the winningest quarterback here. It's not say he failed, but there were moments were Utah struggled with Ratliff as their quarterback, including a mind-numbing two game stretch during the 2006 season that cost Utah a conference championship. With that said, he also stepped up and had some great games as a Ute. I mentioned earlier how we walked into Provo and beat the Cougars, even though Utah was a double-digit dog. But outside of that, and the Georgia Tech victory, he beat TCU, who finished with only two losses that season, had an amazing performance against nationally ranked BYU that same year, though lost that game due to the defense collapsing at the end and once again managed to lead Utah to a bowl victory over Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl. Much of this happened without any real running game, as Utah had lost its 1,000-yard rusher from 2005 due to graduation. So, if you look at the holes the Utes' offense had, it isn't hard to see why he struggled here at times.

4. What attributes do you think Brett has that will help him succeed as a pro?

I think he's very tough, not allowing distractions to bring him down. This is a guy who walked into the Holy War, the biggest game on either Utah's or BYU's schedule, and won. I talk about that game a lot because it's one of the greatest moments in the rivalry's history.

5. What attributes do you think will hinder Brett's attempt to win the starting job?

Here at Utah he had a tendency to make dumb decisions. There were bad passes and questionable decision makings, but you often have to wonder how much of that was due to Utah's offensive coordinator and lack of offensive firepower. The thing is, Ratliff was not recruited to be a starter at Utah and that's exactly what he became. Because of that, you've got to look at his performance in context and though at the time it was very frustrating, since Utah had gone from a team that was 22-2 over two years to 8-5, looking back, I think he did a good job.

A big thanks to Sean for taking the time to answer my questions and offer his perspective on Ratliff.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 07:19 PM

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 11:44 PM

Yet Ratliff stepped up and guided Utah to a 41-24 overtime victory over BYU.



So, it may not be pertinent to this discussion, but how does a team win an overtime game 41-24?
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE (JimKoz23 @ Mar 17 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet Ratliff stepped up and guided Utah to a 41-24 overtime victory over BYU.



So, it may not be pertinent to this discussion, but how does a team win an overtime game 41-24?

It must have been 31-24 or 41-34.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (JimKoz23 @ Mar 17 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet Ratliff stepped up and guided Utah to a 41-24 overtime victory over BYU.



So, it may not be pertinent to this discussion, but how does a team win an overtime game 41-24?


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