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Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (08 October 2015 - 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

Last week, I wrote about some sinking ships across the NFL landscape. These are players, primarily under contract for 2007, who could suffer a loss in fantasy value this off-season. Some players are at risk of being released, and others could lose playing time.

Thanks to everyone who sent in suggestions for players to write about this week. I took your advice on many below, but will save most of the free agents for our comprehensive free agent preview. Also much thanks to everyone who has been checking out the blog at NBC and making it hit on two continents.

Willis McGahee, Bills

McGahee has the salary demands of an elite player, and the numbers of a replacement level running back. His recent comments in Penthouse Magazine that the NFL should move the Bills from Buffalo to Toronto might be the last straw in a proud city.

I believe Marv Levy will let some other team pay McGahee's child support. Both New York teams, Denver, Houston, and Atlanta could be a fit. McGahee might be worth a second-round draft pick, but his contract demands could make a trade difficult. Even Clinton Portis wasn't worth the contract Washington gave him after two seasons and McGahee is not nearly as good a runner. I would guess McGahee has a 50/50 shot to return to Buffalo.

Clinton Portis, Redskins

It's amazing that Frank Gore is now the most valuable University of Miami running back. There have been rumblings that Portis could be available in a trade, but the cap hit to Washington would be significant because of his huge contract and signing bonus from 2005. Washington has enough cap problems without paying starter money to get rid of one of their best players.

Portis makes a lot of sense in Houston or back in Denver, but Washington may as well keep Portis if he's going to be on the books. His play on Sundays isn't the problem. Ladell Betts could steal more carries than usual, but I think Portis is set up for a big season. He'll be well rested.

Julius Jones, Cowboys

Julius was in the Bears locker room with his brother Thomas following the Chicago NFC Championship title. Will that be the closest Julius comes to being a starter in the Super Bowl?

With Bill Parcells out of Dallas, Jones has lost his primary supporter. He was already mentioned as a possible trade candidate this off-season even before Parcells left. Thomas didn't fulfill his potential until he left his original team, so perhaps a move could help.

While the Cowboys may see what Jones is worth on the trade market, they would best be served by bringing back Jones and Marion Barber and letting them battle for carries. Jones is explosive, but doesn't have great vision. Barber is a complete back, but has never carried a full load of carries, dating back to college. Fantasy owners don't want to hear it, but two backs are better than one.

Ricky Williams, Dolphins

Nick Saban saw something special in Ricky Williams as a player and as a person. Saban told the Miami media after he left he thought Ricky was worth a few wins on his own.

It's uncertain if Cam Cameron will feel the same, but it's worth that noting that Dolphins GM Randy Mueller traded Ricky once when he ran the Saints. He also wrote about Ricky's eccentricities at length working for ESPN.com. If Mueller stays on as GM, Ricky should go.

Ricky could be worth a fourth-round draft pick and the Dolphins would happily move on with Ronnie Brown. Denver, Houston, Atlanta, and Oakland are all logical fits. His fantasy value would be substantial in any of those locations.

Joe Horn, Saints

It's been a great ride. If Horn is cut this off-season, he'll leave as the best receiver in Saints franchise history. Horn is due $4.45 million next season and the team will ask him to take a paycut to stay. He is still a useful weapon in the offense, but is no longer explosive and has missed nine games in two seasons. Sean Payton also proved that he can make any receiver look good.

The Saints would take a decent cap hit to release him, but they have the salary cap room to do so if they choose. I think it makes sense for both sides to work something out. However Horn may believe he's still a number one receiver and force his way out. Leaving the Saints wouldn't help his fantasy value.

Domanick Williams (Davis), Texans

A lot of emails came into the mail box regarding the former Mr. Davis. The Texans act as if he doesn't exist. Many writers believe his career is over. Gary Kubiak will probably operate under the assumption that Williams won't be back. If he stays healthy in training camp, he will become a trading chip or compete for carries. Either way, it's a longshot that he will ever a top fantasy pick again.

Deuce McAllister, Saints

McAllister surprised a lot of people, including his own coaching staff, with his great post-ACL surgery effort in 2006. His base salary and bonuses only add up to $3.7 million in 2007. He wouldn't be free to deal because of his signing bonus from 2005.

The Saints would probably listen to trade offers for McAllister, but why mess with a good thing? Unless they got a first-round pick back (unlikely), they may as well hold on to him. McAllister and Reggie Bush make each other better. I doubt Deuce will get any more touches or touchdowns in 2007, so he's not a bad sell-high candidate.

Jake Plummer, Broncos

Plummer made it clear that he won't back up Jay Cutler in Denver. For all his faults, Plummer was a mostly consistent fantasy option and the Broncos didn't exactly surround him with talent this season. A trade to Houston to re-join Gary Kubiak makes perfect sense and would put Plummer back on the fantasy radar. In that scenario, he would have to compete with Sage Rosenfels for snaps. Which means someone else is moving on

David Carr, Texans

A fresh start would serve Carr well, and the Texans appear willing to oblige. There is a big list of teams in need of a veteran quarterback this off-season. Here are a few that could show interest in Carr: Oakland, Minnesota, Detroit, Green Bay, Washington, and Tampa Bay. The track record isn't there, but Carr would be a very popular target on the trade market and could net a first or second round pick. Young quarterbacks don't just come cheaply.

Byron Leftwich, Jaguars

The fans and media in Jacksonville wanted David Garrard. When they got him, they received startlingly similar numbers to Byron Leftwich. Garrard couldn't even hold on to the job, as Quinn Gray gave the Jaguars a shot in the arm with a great Week 17 effort.

Jack Del Rio has to make a choice between Leftwich and Garrard and I suspect he'll choose Leftwich. He was the one who drafted Leftwich. Dirk Koetter, the team's new offensive coordinator, doesn't require mobility in his offense but does require a big arm. Garrard could be moved for a second or third round pick to one of the quarterback hungry teams. Leftwich may cost a little more.

Troy Williamson, Vikings

Minnesota will bring in every veteran receiver possible this off-season, and then draft one or two more. Williamson is only 24, but he faces a vital off-season for his development. He could be at risk of losing a starting gig for good.

Mike Williams, Lions

A lot of people ripped the Vikings during the 2005 draft for passing on Mike Williams to draft Williamson. Who knew it didn't make a difference? There is an outside chance Mike Williams gets cut, and the Lions appear to have low expectations for the USC product. If he becomes a useful slot receiver, they will be pleasantly surprised. Expect Detroit to keep Detroit Mike Furrey and add more talent.

Edgerrin James, Cardinals

Many readers wanted my take on James this off-season. There isn't much to talk about really. New Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt may focus on the run more and should build a better offensive line. That's good news. James is a year older and is approaching 3,000 touches for his career. The Cardinals could also add talent behind him. That's the bad news.

Add it up, and I see more of the same for Edge.

Muhsin Muhammad, Bears

Muhammad's career year was in 2004, so it's easy to forget that he's finished 11 NFL seasons.

Still a useful pro, his days as a fantasy factor could be coming to an end. Bernard Berrian will pass him in production next season and Mark Bradley could be next.

Chris Brown, Titans

I saved most of the free agents for our upcoming preview, but many people emailed about Brown. It's hard to imagine a great career comeback here. He was below average in 2005 and lost his job to Travis Henry in 2006. Brown is talented enough to be a quality third-down back, but don't expect more.

Rod Smith, Broncos

He didn't have any fantasy value in 2006, and I doubt he'll have a starting job in 2007. If you can still get anything at all for Smith, do it now before he retires.

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 10:27 PM

You know what would be funny. If the Dolphins would choose Byron Leftwich for their next starting quarterback. Another guy who sucks, and wont last in that division.

Also, I would love to have McGahee on our team for a second rounder none the less too. I know he's expensive, but he's way more worth it then Michael Turner is. What would you guys rather do?

Turner for 25th overall
McGahee for 38th overall

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (JCBizkit87 @ Jan 23 2007, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what would be funny. If the Dolphins would choose Byron Leftwich for their next starting quarterback. Another guy who sucks, and wont last in that division.

Also, I would love to have McGahee on our team for a second rounder none the less too. I know he's expensive, but he's way more worth it then Michael Turner is. What would you guys rather do?

Turner for 25th overall
McGahee for 38th overall

Neither...I don't like the way McGahee bitches...and I don't want to give up anything more than a 4th for Turner...and since that isn't happening (because we don't have a 4th and the Chargers wouldn't trade him for that)...I'll take neither.

But if for the sake of argument we had to pick one...I would take Turner with the second round pick. I know you said Turner with the 25th...but I find it hard to believe any team would give up a first for him.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 24 2007, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neither...I don't like the way McGahee bitches...and I don't want to give up anything more than a 4th for Turner...and since that isn't happening (because we don't have a 4th and the Chargers wouldn't trade him for that)...I'll take neither.

But if for the sake of argument we had to pick one...I would take Turner with the second round pick. I know you said Turner with the 25th...but I find it hard to believe any team would give up a first for him.

Well, we might not have a choice, especially if the Chargers put the 1st round label on Turner. That 1st round pick is worth way more than just Turner. I'd offer the 38th for Turner.

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