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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:33 AM

A CASSEL CAVEAT
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2008, 8:25 a.m.

Of the teams that receive mentions in the ongoing discussion regarding the 2009 destination of Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel, the Jets present the most intriguing possibility.

The defection of Cassel from the Pats to the Jets would further that whole Fredo vibe thatís going on between the franchises, and it would create some potentially intriguing Brady vs. Cassel battles, twice per year.

But thereís an important thing to keep in mind as the coming free agency period approaches: The Jets currently have the worst cap situation of any NFL team for the coming league year.

Even if quarterback Brett Favre retires after 2008, which would free up $13 million in cap space, past contracts are expected to create significant problems via the achievement of incentives and escalators by various players.

Whenever a team goes out and brings in a ton of free agents in any given season, a salary cap day of reckoning eventually arises. As we understand it, that day is coming for the Jets on the first day of the 2009 league year.

The specific numbers arenít clear, but the thinking in some circles is that the Jets will have a very hard time competing for Cassel or any other high end free agent in 2009, especially as players try to get even more money than usual with the possibility of a work stoppage looming.

The other thing to keep in mind is that, if the Patriots have the cap space to carry Casselís cap number for a short period of time, the franchise tag likely is coming for Cassel, and then the Pats will trade him. And we suspect that the Pats wonít choose to do any business with the Jets, if New England has any other option.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:18 AM

Tannenbaum is no idiot. All the contracts that were given out have escape clauses in them, I believe Pace has a $9 million roster bonus come next March, he'll probably never see it or it will be pushed into the up and coming uncapped year.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:25 AM

I wouldn't want Cassell. I think the team makes him look alot better than he is.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:50 AM

If we try to sign every QB that rings up 400 yards on us, that list could get pretty long. smile.gif
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Nov 17 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tannenbaum is no idiot. All the contracts that were given out have escape clauses in them, I believe Pace has a $9 million roster bonus come next March, he'll probably never see it or it will be pushed into the up and coming uncapped year.


Agreed!

Tannenbaum knows exactly what he's doing and besides, f*ck Matt Cassel!
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 04:14 PM

We aren't going after Cassel either way. If we were, I would be PISSED!!!!! I believe more in what we have over Cassel, I just don't see that much out of Cassel. I see him playing within the system which is a good thing, but what I mean is if his WRs aren't wide open or make serious YAC he does nothing. He isn't that accurate, the only throw I saw that was great was the one to Moss, but I believe that is a fluke.
I believe more in Clemens as a eventual starter than Cassel, all I see is Cassel being a good back up for the Patriots. I even like more out of Ratliff! At least Ratliff was showing the ability to throw a pass on spot to a WR. Mark my words, whoever signs Cassel to be their Starting QB will be effed.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 17 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We aren't going after Cassel either way. If we were, I would be PISSED!!!!! I believe more in what we have over Cassel, I just don't see that much out of Cassel. I see him playing within the system which is a good thing, but what I mean is if his WRs aren't wide open or make serious YAC he does nothing. He isn't that accurate, the only throw I saw that was great was the one to Moss, but I believe that is a fluke.
I believe more in Clemens as a eventual starter than Cassel, all I see is Cassel being a good back up for the Patriots. I even like more out of Ratliff! At least Ratliff was showing the ability to throw a pass on spot to a WR. Mark my words, whoever signs Cassel to be their Starting QB will be effed.



Who you kiddin, you'd throw Clemens out like last week's garbage if the Jets had even a remote chance of getting Brady Quinn.

We all might as well admit that we all have our own personal favorites for Favre's successor.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:39 PM

Am I the only one that would choose Tyler Thigpen over Matt Cassell at this point? Thigpen has no O-line and his only target is a TE past his prime and he's looked every bit as good at Cassell. Now let them switch teams and see who does better.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Nov 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who you kiddin, you'd throw Clemens out like last week's garbage if the Jets had even a remote chance of getting Brady Quinn.

We all might as well admit that we all have our own personal favorites for Favre's successor.

I never said I wouldn't, I just wouldn't want Cassel. Thats my opinion, I think hes nothing. Will be a waste for any team that goes after him. I doubt we go after him either way.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:18 PM

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 12:23 AM

I stiill think it is funny how some of you are such idiots to put down Cassel so easily.He has made leaps and bounds in the short time he has played.Some of you have blinders on not to see this.I think the man has a future as a starting qb.The way he is playing now more experience is only going to make the man better.
At least Mr_Jet also sees this.When Brady came in off the bench the same crap was said about him and look what he is now.
Clemens did alot worse his first year and we dont know what the hell to expect out of Ratliff.
Cassel has the Pats at 6-4 with no running game and anyone that says the qb position isnt the hardest job on the team has no true knowledge of football.Whether you like the Pats or not anyone who cant respect what he has done is an idiot.
With no running game that system belief is bullshit.Its not like the receivers are holding the ball at the snap.
That comeback he had against us at the end of the game was literally amazing and no qb could have done it anny better.
That man has obvious skills and with no practice over the years to establish good timing with the first team to pick things up as quickly as he has done is really impressive in my opinion.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 10:02 AM

I guess we're idiots because we don't see Cassel as a starter.... Seriously bump this thread if you want too, but I bet he doesn't amount to anything as a starter. I can see the Patriots retaining him also, as they are going to need a quality backup with Brady having a knee injury.
But if he goes to a team to become a starter you can bump this thread, because I doubt he does shit as a starter for another team. The guy can't complete anything 20 yards out, what he has like 11 completions all year 20+ yards out. Thats horrible. Shows me he has little accuracy.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 02:12 PM

He's a system Q.B. He has NO downfeild passing attack. The scheme is set up for him to throw 10 yard routes all game. I guess you can chalk me up as being an idiot too.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 07:13 PM

Let's clear one thing up. Not being able to do something and not trying to do something are two totally different things. Cassel does not try to throw those passes because he is not asked to throw 20+ yard passes. What is the point of throwing a 20+ yard pass when Moss is doubled covered on almost every play. They use Moss to draw double coverage which leaves Welker or Gaffney open. What is the use of having 3 receivers 30 yards down the field, when they already have one receiver that is almost always double covered? It makes sense to let Moss run down the field with two DBs and keep Welker and Gaffney below 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. 1. That will be a more accurate pass, 2. it's enough to get a first down and 3. it makes the running backs receiving threats too (spreading the defense). But you have to have a QB that can find the wholes in the defense and get the ball there quickly. That whole may not always be 20+ yards.

This sounds so much like the old Clemens vs. Pennington debates. Arm strength vs. accurate passing; and it's the same folks that were arguing about how great, important, and wonderful arm strength is who are now complaining about Cassel's style of play. It wasn't Favre's arm strength that won the game last Thursday. It was smart accurate passing that kept him from getting an INT and helped win the game. I'd rather see an 11 yard pass with the WR getting 8 yards of YAC, for a first down; than see a 25 yard pass that gets picked off. Long balls are pretty to see but not when the other team picks it off and starts running the other way.

P.S. The TD pass to Gaffney was for 19 yards, that's pretty damn close to 20 yards so he can throw a 20 yard pass when he needs to.

I can't believe you guys got me defending a Patriots player. Look pass the uniform.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 08:26 PM

I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 18 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.



Yeah right. You guarantee it huh, well alright Mr. Namath. I never said he'd be great I didn't even say I wanted him on the Jets, all I said was he's got talent and potential and that I wouldn't be opposed to it if they got him.

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Nov 18 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen he try to throw downfield, he throws it way off most of the time. He has very little accuracy... Most of his throws are within 15 yards. You can think what you want, think that hes some great starter for all I care, but I guarantee you he doesn't do shit as a starter on another team.

The whole reason I am saying you are an idiot is because the man has played what now?????Ten games now in what six or seven years???? And you expect him to be accurate right away in all his throws.I dont care what sport it is or how great the greatest star is in that sport timing and accuracy take time and lots and lots of practice.I dont know how many times I have heard in the NFL that a qb and receiver arent in time together because they havent practiced enough.

You want an examples?.Take Lowery for instance,he is making all kinds of rookie mistakes but we can all see he has skills.No one here doesnt think he will get better with more experience.How about Revis?the leap he has made from last year and he was pretty good then too.Oh how about Favre coming here and looking pretty uncomfortable his first few games before getting the hang of it.Hell plus Favre was down right shitty his first year in Atlanta.Or how about Eli Manning and how inconsistant he was for years and suddenly mid last year and pretty much all of this year he is looking like Peyton.Need I go on?Hell look at Portis. I have followed him since Denver.He has made leaps and bounds since his rookie year.Randel El.
I could go on all day.Hell I could go into basketball examples too.

The point is no one knows how good or bad Cassel is but he has showed he has skills and being his only experience in college and the NFL is in practice without first teams to come in to this stage and perform as well as he has is amazing to say the least.But you guys expect a man with no experience to come into this league and play like a Dan Marino right off the bat.
Name someone else that has his credentials and has ever even started a game less play that well.If he was crappy there is no way he would have pulled off that drive against the Jets at the end.That took skill.Plus no can argue that down field throws are the hardest for any qb even experienced and I would have actually been surprised if was real accurate on down field throws
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:55 PM

Actually Bill Bilichick is the Man and the most valuable in the success of the Pats .
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