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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
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Eric Smith Vs Eric Coleman

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Post icon  Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:00 AM

Has anyone else noticed the play of Eric Smith this year? Now I know Coleman gets more playing time then E. Smith and has more opportunity but Smith has taken full advantage of his opportunities when his numbers been called. I've actually been skeptical of Coleman this year. He had a quiet year which can be a good thing or a bad thing but I truly think that if Coleman doesn't step up he's going to be gone. That 5th pick that we all scrutinized at the beginning of the season has been playing surprisingly well.

I like Coleman but he has a tendency to whiff tackles and get burned on the run. Smith is more of a slash and crash SS and is starting to make a name for himself. Like I said Coleman better step it up because Smith is breathing down his neck.

Anyone else notice the play of E.Smith this season?

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:12 AM

He has been playing well...but I still consider our other safety position a weakness. We all know Rhodes is the shit...but I don't really trust Eric or Erik. Smith doesn't have the closing speed but is good against the run...sort of. Coleman is a little better in coverage, but is pretty bad against the run and still blows a lot of pass plays.

I think we need to bring in another Eric...haha...his name is Eric Weddle and he's probably one of the most overlooked players in the draft. He played cornerback in college, but also spent time at strong and free safety. He's likely to be a 3rd rounder...and depending on how free agency and the other picks in the draft go...we might want to consider bringing him in.

He racked up 7 interceptions this year...to bring his career total to 18 in 4 years. He defended 12 passes last year.

The book on Weddle is that he's the classic overachiever. He doesn't have impressive numbers, but he simply makes it happen. He's probably the definition of a Mangini guy...good person...smart guy...hard worker.

He probably has a slim chance at being a Jet...but if we handle most of our needs before the 3rd round...Tangini has shown last year in the third round that they are willing to go after guys' who fit their philosiphy despite need.








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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:15 AM

Smith did do a solid job and I expect Mangini to make Coleman's safety spot up for grabs like last year again. Smith and Coleman seem to be opposites of one another in regard to their strengths and weaknesses but the advantage in TC would certainly go to Coleman given his starting experience so far but there must be a reason a 3rd rounder was spent on Smith (and Schlegal for that matter).
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:58 AM

id like to take another look at andre maddox. he looked good coming out of college and got hurt. i think theres a reason we held onto him and got rid of guys like rashad washington and oliver celestin

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
id like to take another look at andre maddox. he looked good coming out of college and got hurt. i think theres a reason we held onto him and got rid of guys like rashad washington and oliver celestin


Actually Rashad Washington is still a Jet...Andre Maddox...not so much...
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:02 PM

yea just noticed that...i didnt see him this year

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 15 2007, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He has been playing well...but I still consider our other safety position a weakness. We all know Rhodes is the shit...but I don't really trust Eric or Erik. Smith doesn't have the closing speed but is good against the run...sort of. Coleman is a little better in coverage, but is pretty bad against the run and still blows a lot of pass plays.

I think we need to bring in another Eric...haha...his name is Eric Weddle and he's probably one of the most overlooked players in the draft. He played cornerback in college, but also spent time at strong and free safety. He's likely to be a 3rd rounder...and depending on how free agency and the other picks in the draft go...we might want to consider bringing him in.

He racked up 7 interceptions this year...to bring his career total to 18 in 4 years. He defended 12 passes last year.

The book on Weddle is that he's the classic overachiever. He doesn't have impressive numbers, but he simply makes it happen. He's probably the definition of a Mangini guy...good person...smart guy...hard worker.

He probably has a slim chance at being a Jet...but if we handle most of our needs before the 3rd round...Tangini has shown last year in the third round that they are willing to go after guys' who fit their philosiphy despite need.








Thats the guy I want, I really dont think that Eric Smith or Coleman are that good of starters, Coleman has more potiential then Smith because he has more speed and a bigger upside. But Smith is a good back up, he is a smart player who is good against the run, but he seems alittle slow and bad at coverage, though he did have 2 ints this year. I would love for us to draft Weddle, I made a topic about getting him last year I think. He would be perfect for us. The thing I dont like about Coleman, is he has a lot of tackles broken from him. He seems alittle small. Sometimes though he makes good plays getting TFL on blitzes, but he is inconsistent, he will also let a guy brake his tackle and get more yards.

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
id like to take another look at andre maddox. he looked good coming out of college and got hurt. i think theres a reason we held onto him and got rid of guys like rashad washington and oliver celestin

Maddox must be pretty bad just to be a practice squad guy. Rashad Washington is actually a really good backup, hes a good special teams player, and a pretty decent blitzer, he had 1 sack this year.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:13 PM

You know, I think you can knit pick any player at any position. Manning isn't clutch enough when it counts...Vilma/Lewis/Edwards/Thomas are too small...etc. The problem with looking for the "prototypical" player is that you overlook the player on the field. To me, Eric Smith played great in coverage and was pretty good against the run too. Erik Coleman has taken a step or two backwards the past two years IMO. I like the way Eric Smith played and he did pretty good in clutch situations. Beginners luck? Maybe.

Either way, I think we could definately upgrade the position but I want the best player... not just getting a guy because he's 6-2 220 and runs a 4.4.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:16 PM

actually Eric Smith is faster than Coleman, Smith ran a 4.58 and Coleman a 4.64. Smith is actaully pretty athletic all around, he also had a very impressive 40 inch vertical, 6.91 3 cone drill (wr agility) and put up 21 reps of 225. I like Smith back there for some reason, plus he is an intimidator that can really lay the wood, as shown on Wes Welker and Kellen Winslow.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 15 2007, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, I think you can knit pick any player at any position. Manning isn't clutch enough when it counts...Vilma/Lewis/Edwards/Thomas are too small...etc. The problem with looking for the "prototypical" player is that you overlook the player on the field. To me, Eric Smith played great in coverage and was pretty good against the run too. Erik Coleman has taken a step or two backwards the past two years IMO. I like the way Eric Smith played and he did pretty good in clutch situations. Beginners luck? Maybe.

Either way, I think we could definately upgrade the position but I want the best player... not just getting a guy because he's 6-2 220 and runs a 4.4.


Well..Eric Weddle is only 6'0"...a mere 200 lbs...and doesn't run a 4.4 ahah...he's perfect!!! But seriously...I would like to see him a Jet...the guy is a leader and simply makes...it...happen.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE (DewayneDontSign @ Jan 15 2007, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
actually Eric Smith is faster than Coleman, Smith ran a 4.58 and Coleman a 4.64. Smith is actaully pretty athletic all around, he also had a very impressive 40 inch vertical, 6.91 3 cone drill (wr agility) and put up 21 reps of 225. I like Smith back there for some reason, plus he is an intimidator that can really lay the wood, as shown on Wes Welker and Kellen Winslow.

When I watch them play, Coleman looks faster then Smith, probaly has more game speed then Smith, he also looks more fluid in the hips.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:51 PM

easy one hands down eric smith, i've seen him made some really good and solid tackles unlike coleman.. the guy over persuit, gets burn and miss cruical tackles all the time that i could think of
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:41 PM

I fully expect there to be a competition at safety in training camp. We know Rhodes will obviously be one starter, but we don't know who the other will be. After a surprising rookie season, Erik Coleman has been pretty bad the last two years. He blows coverage, he gets burned, and he misses tackles at key times. He can not be counted on. I thought Eric Smith had a pretty good rookie year and at times, he showed flashes. I'd like to see Smith win the job in TC. It means he proved that he was better than Coleman.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:47 PM

I really like Coleman, but his play has been sub par to ok at best lately. He's shows glimpses of being good but nothing consistent.

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:22 PM

Eh give Coleman another year.

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 09:33 PM

i'm hoping that rashad washington can win that JOb, the guy is an in the box type safety who can deliver the huge hits, thats a perfect complement to rhodes who is more athletic and versatile..............but either way i think safety is one of our better positions........at the worst Erik Coleman is an average NFL safety considering his age and the room he has for improvement, this isnt a bad thing
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 15 2007, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm hoping that rashad washington can win that JOb, the guy is an in the box type safety who can deliver the huge hits, thats a perfect complement to rhodes who is more athletic and versatile..............but either way i think safety is one of our better positions........at the worst Erik Coleman is an average NFL safety considering his age and the room he has for improvement, this isnt a bad thing



It's fun to dream isn't it? Rashad is strictly a special teamer and a situational player not a starter. I like him but he hasn't given and or showed the sudden impact of a good player like Eric Smith. Smith is a rookie on a very complicated and complex Mangini defense and he's made noise. Coleman needs to be very worried at this point because Smith will push him this year
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 15 2007, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's fun to dream isn't it? Rashad is strictly a special teamer and a situational player not a starter. I like him but he hasn't given and or showed the sudden impact of a good player like Eric Smith. Smith is a rookie on a very complicated and complex Mangini defense and he's made noise. Coleman needs to be very worried at this point because Smith will push him this year


Agreed...Rashad Washington will never start. We wouldn't have played Erik Coleman, Eric Smith, and Derrick Strait over him if that were the case.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 10:25 PM

Problem is we already have a slash and crash SS in Rhodes. Now before everyone jumping on me for calling Rhodes one dimensional, let me say that Rhodes is much more than that. However, Coleman complements Rhodes nicely. When Rhodes blitzes Coleman is the sole rover in the backfield and he has done a decent job at the least. Smith is a project talent, someone we'll keep when we need the third down stops (because he covers and can tackle) and if he developes into a starter than great. If not, then at least he contributed

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 15 2007, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's fun to dream isn't it? Rashad is strictly a special teamer and a situational player not a starter. I like him but he hasn't given and or showed the sudden impact of a good player like Eric Smith. Smith is a rookie on a very complicated and complex Mangini defense and he's made noise. Coleman needs to be very worried at this point because Smith will push him this year



I did say "hope" implying he would get better..............but washington might be a bumb and get cut this off-season also.......but my point is we should get a safety that knocks wr's heads off when they go over the middle and is also stout against the run....
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