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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
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Do You Think Leon Washington?

#21 User is offline   nysackexchange Icon

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's because they have Maroney...and because Leon is more talented than Faulk...but being more talented than Faulk isn't hard to do. Faulk is a role player used perfectly in the system the Pats set up for him. The Jets should find an appropriate role and system for Leon as well...because no one can deny he is amazing in the open field...but as a feature back you aren't always going to get in the open field. So you get a feature back...and then create certain situations where you try and get Leon into the open field.



Thats exactly my point. Faulk is a third down back, Leon has shown that he can be much more of that so I think its dumb to just label him as a specialty player as I stated earlier.

The point i'm trying to get across is not that Leon is the hands down answer at our RB position. He's not Curtis Martin we all know that. However I don't think he's just a third down back and he at least should get an opportunity to prove whether or not he can handle the load full time.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:55 PM

It doesnt matter. We're not saying leon will not run for 100 yards. Faulk ran for 100 yards but that doesn't means he's an every down back. Leon is the classic 3rd down back. Small, speed, good hands and ability to run and make people miss in the open field. He couldn't run in the middle against the 5th best run defense in the league. Not in the NFL. He's not the very down back period. We love leon but we're asking for someone bigger and run in the middle and in open field and make people miss. We're never going to a super bowl without a true RB.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats exactly my point. Faulk is a third down back, Leon has shown that he can be much more of that so I think its dumb to just label him as a specialty player as I stated earlier.

The point i'm trying to get across is not that Leon is the hands down answer at our RB position. He's not Curtis Martin we all know that. However I don't think he's just a third down back and he at least should get an opportunity to prove whether or not he can handle the load full time.


How has Leon shown it? I never seen him pound it inside? Only time I see Leon do something positive is when he's in the open field...and that is a great asset to the team...but I just don't see a feature back in him.

My point about the Patriots is they aren't debating if Faulk can handle the load because they already have Maroney. We don't have anyone like Maroney...so we have to wonder...
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How has Leon shown it? I never seen him pound it inside? Only time I see Leon do something positive is when he's in the open field...and that is a great asset to the team...but I just don't see a feature back in him.

My point about the Patriots is they aren't debating if Faulk can handle the load because they already have Maroney. We don't have anyone like Maroney...so we have to wonder...



I only brought up the Pats because I was trying to show an example of what a typical third down back is and that Leon was much better than that. Obviously Maroney is the man there and I guess my example was a little confusing.

Everyone always says little backs can't get it done, Leon was decent between the tackles from the games i saw. He's not going to "pound it inside" I know that, but does Brian Westbrook pound it inside? Warrick Dunn? We don't know if Leon can be as good as them I'm just saying he deserves the chance to show whether or not he can be. He's much more talented then simply a third down back. We could use him more like Reggie Bush.

Best case scenario I think would be to draft a bruiser like Tony Hunt and have split carries.

Also I like this Forum because people actually debate things rather than just saying "Leon sucks and so do you" I'm glad I found this place.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:22 PM

I've seen Leon pound it in the inside, he always seems to get yards going up the middle, because he can hide behind the linemen and has strong legs.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ Jan 28 2007, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I only brought up the Pats because I was trying to show an example of what a typical third down back is and that Leon was much better than that. Obviously Maroney is the man there and I guess my example was a little confusing.

Everyone always says little backs can't get it done, Leon was decent between the tackles from the games i saw. He's not going to "pound it inside" I know that, but does Brian Westbrook pound it inside? Warrick Dunn? We don't know if Leon can be as good as them I'm just saying he deserves the chance to show whether or not he can be. He's much more talented then simply a third down back. We could use him more like Reggie Bush.

Best case scenario I think would be to draft a bruiser like Tony Hunt and have split carries.

Also I like this Forum because people actually debate things rather than just saying "Leon sucks and so do you" I'm glad I found this place.


Yeah this forum is pretty good about presenting reasoning for opinions...it is refreshing to see isn't it!? Glad we got another guy who presents facts to go along with opinions! Welcome...

At any rate...I think Warrick Dunn is actually pretty good between the tackles. He really can pound the ball. Westbrook not as much...but he is capable of taking it inside. Now, obviously it is hard to make a judgement after one year. It is possible Leon can handle all 3 downs...but right now I tend to lean towards he cannot.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 28 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah this forum is pretty good about presenting reasoning for opinions...it is refreshing to see isn't it!? Glad we got another guy who presents facts to go along with opinions! Welcome...

At any rate...I think Warrick Dunn is actually pretty good between the tackles. He really can pound the ball. Westbrook not as much...but he is capable of taking it inside. Now, obviously it is hard to make a judgement after one year. It is possible Leon can handle all 3 downs...but right now I tend to lean towards he cannot.


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Posted 28 January 2007 - 05:49 PM

I disagree to agree....does that make sense...I'm gonna have to think about that for a minute and see if it makes sense. Haha
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 06:11 PM

i think that leon definetly needs to get bigger in the offseason. once he puts some more muscle on then he'll be able to run through some of those tackles that pinned him down at the line of scrimmage. i think that if we give him time, he'll be a "tiki barber" kind of runnin back.
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Posted 28 January 2007 - 06:40 PM

in my oppinion i view leon as a poor mans reggie bush which isnt an insult in any manner. I think that if we can get a bruiser like duece mccalister i think Leon will have a lot more success as the brusier will wear down defenses and allow leon to make big plays in the 2nd half of games. If we can get a bigger RB in who can carry around 15 times a game while leon gets another 5-10 carrys a game leon will flourish very nicely.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 10:47 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 28 2007, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen Leon pound it in the inside, he always seems to get yards going up the middle, because he can hide behind the linemen and has strong legs.


Against the Pats in the playoffs he really struggled, as in the game against Buffalo at home. Early on he can do what you say but later in a game, as he is worn out, he struggles to take advantage of a worn out D as he can't really push the pile. There was a reason why Houston and Barlow were used almost always down at the goalline and on 3rd and short situations because Leon struggled to punch it up the middle when it mattered most.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 29 2007, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Against the Pats in the playoffs he really struggled, as in the game against Buffalo at home. Early on he can do what you say but later in a game, as he is worn out, he struggles to take advantage of a worn out D as he can't really push the pile. There was a reason why Houston and Barlow were used almost always down at the goalline and on 3rd and short situations because Leon struggled to punch it up the middle when it mattered most.

Thats because our offensive line sucks and fails to open up holes. Moore gets blown off the line like every time. And Brick gets pushed around too. Our line has to play better.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 01:58 PM

this is why we do not need to address RB in the first round....and like many of us have been saying Bush or Hunt would be prefect in the draft. Leon is not just a third down back or a featured back, but just a football player.....look at what the saints do....is reggie either?? not saying leon has those skills, but the saints have a custom fit for reggie...lining him up all over etc...we need another RB, but leon is good enough that it doesnt have to be a 1st rounder this year we have too many other holes....im hoping for hunt!!

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 02:11 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jan 28 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i dont think houston can stay healthy enough we need to draft a guys to split the carries with washington


I don't think Houston can become somthing amazing, but the only times he got injured as a Jet was before training camp in a car accident, and when an player landed on his knee while his leg was extended. I don't know many athletes who wouldn't get injured from something like that.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Jan 29 2007, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this is why we do not need to address RB in the first round....and like many of us have been saying Bush or Hunt would be prefect in the draft. Leon is not just a third down back or a featured back, but just a football player.....look at what the saints do....is reggie either?? not saying leon has those skills, but the saints have a custom fit for reggie...lining him up all over etc...we need another RB, but leon is good enough that it doesnt have to be a 1st rounder this year we have too many other holes....im hoping for hunt!!

Im actually starting to really like Hunt. He did do a good job during the senior bowl week. He is the type of RB that wears a defense down. He would be a nice pick for us, he may become a first round pick thouhg, since his stock is rising alot.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 03:41 PM

i think our first 2nd rounder will fall right around when he goes...maybe a little before or after but we are def close at 4 in the 2nd round

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:08 PM

I definetly think he can do the job .. along with Houston (if he can stay healthy)

what we need to draft is somebody that will create the holes for him to run through
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (CrazyHorseDave @ Jan 29 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I definetly think he can do the job .. along with Houston (if he can stay healthy)

what we need to draft is somebody that will create the holes for him to run through

Yea we need a 2 OGs, a RG for next year and a replacement for Kendall since he is old.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:45 PM

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loving beekman right now....we need a kickass line, but if we can get hunt id love it....my only fear is that he would not be all that diff from barlow or houston and we would be better of going more defense or oline

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Jan 29 2007, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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loving beekman right now....we need a kickass line, but if we can get hunt id love it....my only fear is that he would not be all that diff from barlow or houston and we would be better of going more defense or oline

After the Senior Bowl, I'm thinking his stock skyrocketed. Hes our best option for a late round RB still.

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