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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 3 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God, it unbelievabe how much dick you suck.
So pretty much you guys are saying evertime you lead your team to a win its legendary. So you're saying the pass Leon Washington caught against the Dolphins on Monday Night is legendary? No one is gonna remember that except Dolphins and Jet fans. I won't remember game 5. It was a great performance not legendary.



all i have to say is keep diggin that hole man, keep diggin good.gif

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (BESTHANDS8381 @ Jun 3 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
all i have to say is keep diggin that hole man, keep diggin good.gif

I know im right. You have said many times in this thread you don't watch NBA except in the playoffs. So to you an good game is a legendary game. I see player lead there teams to wins all the time.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:13 PM

man listen... a dude taking over an entire quarter of play and scoring 29 of his team's 30 points to lead to a victory should never be downplayed, no matter who your favorite player is. that type of shit is unheard of on a professional level.. 10 straight points.. sure.. but 29 out of 30? against another team of professionals who KNOW the ball is coming to you?

the only reason i feel it's premature to call it legendary is because the dude is 22 and has a long career ahead of him to do even more shit like that. the dude put the team on his back... that's only supposed to work in video games.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 3 2007, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know im right. You have said many times in this thread you don't watch NBA except in the playoffs. So to you an good game is a legendary game. I see player lead there teams to wins all the time.


#1 i said anymore, which means i used to watch nba, a lot actually

#2 u dont need to watch NBA TO KNOW LEGENDARY GAMES. and no not every comeback is a legendary game for me. Plus most of the playoff games are good if not great games so why wouldnt i think they are all legendary games? i mean according to u that means i should but uh, sorry i dont!

dude your just a hatta. You hate anyone who outshines yr precious Kobe. and EVERYONE knows yr rong. your outvoted, and outsmarted by HALF THE BRAIN, of anyone else who has posted on this thread.

give it up, yr just being ignorant and makin yrself look like a jackass. 25 straight points by one player for his team is not just a comeback, and its sumthin Kobe has neve and most likely will neva do. Kobe is not as good as u make him out to be...ACCEPT IT!

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 3 2007, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God, it unbelievabe how much dick you suck.
So pretty much you guys are saying evertime you lead your team to a win its legendary. So you're saying the pass Leon Washington caught against the Dolphins on Monday Night is legendary? No one is gonna remember that except Dolphins and Jet fans. I won't remember game 5. It was a great performance not legendary.

Haha, good one. Mods, oh mods. Kobesgay is spreading his slanderous filth.

To say that you wouldn't be blowing Kobe if he did what Lebron did is such a lie, I don't even know how you believe that shit. You give him a reach around every time he scores 29 points let alone 29 out of his teams last 30. To conclude, you suck and Kobe will never see another championship.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jun 3 2007, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
man listen... a dude taking over an entire quarter of play and scoring 29 of his team's 30 points to lead to a victory should never be downplayed, no matter who your favorite player is. that type of shit is unheard of on a professional level.. 10 straight points.. sure.. but 29 out of 30? against another team of professionals who KNOW the ball is coming to you?

the only reason i feel it's premature to call it legendary is because the dude is 22 and has a long career ahead of him to do even more shit like that. the dude put the team on his back... that's only supposed to work in video games.

I'm not down playing man. I have said it this thread it was a great, clutch performance. What I have said its not legendary like you said to.

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Haha, good one. Mods, oh mods. Kobesgay is spreading his slanderous filth.

To say that you wouldn't be blowing Kobe if he did what Lebron did is such a lie, I don't even know how you believe that shit. You give him a reach around every time he scores 29 points let alone 29 out of his teams last 30. To conclude, you suck and Kobe will never see another championship.
Vandsegay, I'm not lying if Kobe did what LeBron did it would just be a normal game for Kobe. When Kobe drops 50 points its not a suprsie anymore. It actually a dissapointmen.


Kobe WILL win a champioship again. Especailly if the Lakers get Tinsley, Jermaine O'neal and Camby or if he is traded straight up for Dirk.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 11:55 PM

Clutch Performance - To consistently come up big on any stage when your team needs you.

Legendary Performance - To do something unbelievable on a big stage that may not ever be done again.

My friend, what Lebron did was what you can call a LEGENDARY PERFORMANCE.

PERIOD.

Oh and I know what your gonna say "Well Kobe scored 81 and no one may never do that again." Very true, but that was against the Raptors at home in teh regular season. Lebron moped the floor with the Class of the Eastern Conference in their Gym in the playoffs.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Merenguito @ Jun 3 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Clutch Performance - To consistently come up big when your team needs you.

Legendary Performance - To do something unbelievable that may not ever be done again.

My friend, what Lebron did was what you can call a LEGENDARY PERFORMANCE.

PERIOD.

So is T-MAC's 13 points in 35 seconds legendary? I'd bet there has been player that scored the last 20 or so points for there team. I'll try to find some info on that.
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 3 2007, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So is T-MAC's 13 points in 35 seconds legendary? I'd bet there has been player that scored the last 20 or so points for there team. I'll try to find some info on that.



TMAC needs to get past round 1 before he gets any love. I do remember that and as impressive as that was, no it was not legendary.

The last time I was awed by a performance in the NBA was MJ's Flu game vs Utah.
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE (Merenguito @ Jun 4 2007, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TMAC needs to get past round 1 before he gets any love. I do remember that and as impressive as that was, no it was not legendary.

The last time I was awed by a performance in the NBA was MJ's Flu game vs Utah.

Bro, are you sure it wasn't legendary? Because you said Legendary is something that will never happen again. I'm pretty sure that will never happen again.
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 12:12 AM

You have to look at it individually man. I know what I said, and I still mean it too, what im trying to do is have you realize that what Lebron did was way beyond clutch. When a player is clutch he does things that are great with consistency,

Big Papi is clutch, Kobe is clutch, MJ was clutch, Tiger Woods is clutch.

But what Lebron did was bananas man. You dont see that kind of shit happen outside of NBA Live. TMAC indeed scored those points but it was hitting a few threes. Lebron took over a game, no no a f***ing series man cant you see that? It was game 5! BY FAR the most pivotal game of a series in ANY sport. He took over and dominated. And on top of that I think he still ended with 7 assists! He decided to dominate and he did. He smelled blood and attacked. Im not saying he is a legend either, just that what he did was legendary. I mean cmon now, you have coaches man, experienced people that have been working with basketball since u were a sperm cell in your dads sack calling it legendary. And no I dont mean the ESPN cats, im talking coaches around my way that im friends with.

I dont mean to seem like an ass man, but seriously, you have to be eating paint to say that Lebron was not legendary in game 5. Christ!
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 12:20 AM

lebrons performance was so overwhelming, in game six the pistons got stomped, on top of all the stats, stories, and opinions he actually changed the tide of a Eastern Conf. Champ Series.... to say it wasnt legendary would be completely stubborn. Lebron not only is 22 years old, but he is the leader of the cavs without question and without his play they would be sittin at home with kobe. Maybe the legend of lebron has yet to arrive, but this game i gaurantee you will be shown on espn classic more than just once
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE (santana @ Jun 2 2007, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no im not taking away anything from his game. but the hype that surrounds it. if billups did the same to the cavs do you think it would be getting such hype and the media would be slobbing on him? Even lebrons dunk over sheed was a bit overrated. Ill buy into it when he closes out the series with a game winner and a good performance. I enjoy watching the pistons play but now I'm even more curious at how lebron would perform against the spurs.


yeah well unlike some others in this thread.. cough kobeskool...
now that the series is done with. I'm going to have to swallow my words... lebron really did live up to the hype this time around. for his age im not going to start a legendary parade i think he has the potential to grow into that status. His performance was pretty close to perfect he sure muscled that win.. but who knows with these new hand checking rules how you can compete this performance vs others in the past.

kobeskool quit being such a damn donkey.

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 3 2007, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vandsegay, I'm not lying if Kobe did what LeBron did it would just be a normal game for Kobe. When Kobe drops 50 points its not a suprsie anymore. It actually a dissapointmen.
Kobe WILL win a champioship again. Especailly if the Lakers get Tinsley, Jermaine O'neal and Camby or if he is traded straight up for Dirk.

Haha if the lakers get tinsley, jermaine oneal and camby they'll win a championship. Yeah and if the knicks get nash, duncan, lebron and shaq they might win a championship too. Pull your fingers out of Kobe's rectum.

Oh, and a better insult would have been Vandelgay Industries. Come on kobeskool, pick it up.
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Posted 04 June 2007 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jun 4 2007, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha if the lakers get tinsley, jermaine oneal and camby they'll win a championship. Yeah and if the knicks get nash, duncan, lebron and shaq they might win a championship too. Pull your fingers out of Kobe's rectum.

Oh, and a better insult would have been Vandelgay Industries. Come on kobeskool, pick it up.

The trade for JO and TInsley are pretty much done. They can't announce it until after the NBA draft. I'll take my fingers out of Kobe "rectum" (which they aren't in) after you, the media, David Stern and the NBA refs gets LeBrons d1ck out of your crack, nose, mouth and ear.
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Posted 05 June 2007 - 11:48 PM

You don't have to get pissed just because Lebron is better than Kobe.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:54 AM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jun 5 2007, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't have to get pissed just because Lebron is better than Kobe.

Anyone that has a brain knows KOBE IS THE BEST in the league.
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Posted 06 June 2007 - 11:16 AM

Sure they do. Sure they do.
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