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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
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Post icon  Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:04 PM

Why can a team like SD put such a high tender on a player that doesn't have a significant contribution to the team? I mean, come on. You should have to at the very least be a full time starter for a team in order to demand a 1st round pick. Turner doesn't come close to having any impact on that team especially at RB. I mean, LT... HELLO!?!?! I just think it's really lame that they can say he's worth a 1st round pick if he goes elsewhere when he doesn't have a 1st round pick contribution and neither was he selected in the 1st round.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:05 PM

crazy.gif maybe barlow for turner
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:10 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 11 2007, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why can a team like SD put such a high tender on a player that doesn't have a significant contribution to the team? I mean, come on. You should have to at the very least be a full time starter for a team in order to demand a 1st round pick. Turner doesn't come close to having any impact on that team especially at RB. I mean, LT... HELLO!?!?! I just think it's really lame that they can say he's worth a 1st round pick if he goes elsewhere when he doesn't have a 1st round pick contribution and neither was he selected in the 1st round.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?


That's how it works dude. There's nothing wrong with it. Players can become restricted free agents after their third year, so they are still young players. If the team feels they are a valuable, young commodity and they don't wanna lose the guy for nothing, they put a tender on him. Just because they aren't a starter doesn't mean the rules should change. It works both ways, since the Jets got a 1st rounder from the Skins for Coles.

Basically, the restricted free agents are young guys. The only ones who get attention are the high ceiling ones who intrigue teams a lot. Thats why they are willing to part with a pick(s) for them.

It's not lame, its set up to help teams keep their young players, or at least get something for them. Besides, it's only a one year tender, and if the team doesn't end up extending that contract, they become unrestricted the next year.
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:11 PM

because the tender is only allowed ot an RFA which is usally only late round draft picks just coming off of their rookie contract. its set that way this way you can basically get an extra year to see if the player is worth keeping reltivly cheap and w/o needing to franchise a player not worth it and also allow u to gte something back for losing a good player. it makes perfect sense
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:16 PM

Thats a very simple question...the league, writers, and public love not knowing the full potential of a player...in the games turner has played he has put up big numbers however can not displayuhis full potential due to the fact hes behind tomlison...no1 knows what he can do in a full season but what hes put up is big so u have to go with that
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:20 PM

iknow what a tender is in football, yet i somehow thought u were talking about chicken tenders
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Jan 12 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
iknow what a tender is in football, yet i somehow thought u were talking about chicken tenders


To be honest, so was I, and now I am hungry...
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Jan 11 2007, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
iknow what a tender is in football, yet i somehow thought u were talking about chicken tenders

Haha. I knew what he meant when I read the title, but I considered saying something along the lines of, "me too, i'm really more of a wing guy...".
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 11 2007, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha. I knew what he meant when I read the title, but I considered saying something along the lines of, "me too, i'm really more of a wing guy...".

i usually prefer tenders of wings, however on a side note i had wings for dinner a couple nights ago, still have some left
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:52 PM

They're really quite different. Wings are more work. If you just feel like relaxing, I say go with the tenders. No mess, no fuss. If you can get tenders with some buffalo sauce, that's just excellent. But when I'm not feeling lazy, I'll usually go with wings. Wings and football, it doesn't get much better than that.
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 11 2007, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're really quite different. Wings are more work. If you just feel like relaxing, I say go with the tenders. No mess, no fuss. If you can get tenders with some buffalo sauce, that's just excellent. But when I'm not feeling lazy, I'll usually go with wings. Wings and football, it doesn't get much better than that.

yea the left over ones(and the ones we made, cause all of them were like this) had buffalo sauce on them, and now i feel like getting some of those leftovers
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (beanz @ Jan 11 2007, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's how it works dude. There's nothing wrong with it. Players can become restricted free agents after their third year, so they are still young players. If the team feels they are a valuable, young commodity and they don't wanna lose the guy for nothing, they put a tender on him. Just because they aren't a starter doesn't mean the rules should change. It works both ways, since the Jets got a 1st rounder from the Skins for Coles.

Basically, the restricted free agents are young guys. The only ones who get attention are the high ceiling ones who intrigue teams a lot. Thats why they are willing to part with a pick(s) for them.

It's not lame, its set up to help teams keep their young players, or at least get something for them. Besides, it's only a one year tender, and if the team doesn't end up extending that contract, they become unrestricted the next year.


I'd say, yeah ok I agree but Coles was our #1 WR when he left for Washington. He was coming off a career year and he started all the games at the same time showing his dominance at the WR position. His situation is worthy of a 1st round pick. Michael Turner on the other hand never gets carries unless it's in a meaningless situation. I just don't see how they can say he justifies a 1st round pick. Nothing anyone can say to me makes it relevant either because of the sheer fact that no one in their right mind would give up a 1st round pick for the guy. People like John Abraham and Randy Moss go for 1st round picks. Not guys like Turner who aren't dominant at their positions let alone the fact that he's not even a starter. Who plays in front of him is irrelevant. If anything, the fact that he plays behind LT makes his stock drop because SD isn't losing a damn thing by not having him so he doesn't have true value to the team. He's obviously gonna be traded for a 3rd or a 2nd at the most to a team that wants him... ala the Jets. But there's no way anyone is gonna touch the guy if he's got a 1st round tender on him.

Point is this: SD shouldn't be allowed to put the value on him. It should be up to the league.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 01:53 AM

with great coaching and great blocking schemes just give it to Justin Miller and let him run down hill.
then tell san diego to suck their tender . we want a power runner in our division let Cmart pick our drafted RB. Tangini wants to build their own hand mand picked team.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 02:56 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 11 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But there's no way anyone is gonna touch the guy if he's got a 1st round tender on him.


Exactly, you solved your problem.

Putting the tender on him keeps teams away from him, thus giving him one more year with the team to prove he deserves a long term deal. A restricted free agent isnt quite a free agent yet, so its not unfair that the players current team can have some type of advantage geared towards them.

And by putting the high tender on him, it not only guarantees them something to replace a young player with potential, but it also scares some teams from going after him all together.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 07:09 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 11 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd say, yeah ok I agree but Coles was our #1 WR when he left for Washington. He was coming off a career year and he started all the games at the same time showing his dominance at the WR position. His situation is worthy of a 1st round pick. Michael Turner on the other hand never gets carries unless it's in a meaningless situation. I just don't see how they can say he justifies a 1st round pick. Nothing anyone can say to me makes it relevant either because of the sheer fact that no one in their right mind would give up a 1st round pick for the guy. People like John Abraham and Randy Moss go for 1st round picks. Not guys like Turner who aren't dominant at their positions let alone the fact that he's not even a starter. Who plays in front of him is irrelevant. If anything, the fact that he plays behind LT makes his stock drop because SD isn't losing a damn thing by not having him so he doesn't have true value to the team. He's obviously gonna be traded for a 3rd or a 2nd at the most to a team that wants him... ala the Jets. But there's no way anyone is gonna touch the guy if he's got a 1st round tender on him.

Point is this: SD shouldn't be allowed to put the value on him. It should be up to the league.



It would be all fine and well until the leaugue fucks us over and puts a low tender on one of our good players... so I think it should stay up to the team.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 12 2007, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd say, yeah ok I agree but Coles was our #1 WR when he left for Washington. He was coming off a career year and he started all the games at the same time showing his dominance at the WR position. His situation is worthy of a 1st round pick. Michael Turner on the other hand never gets carries unless it's in a meaningless situation. I just don't see how they can say he justifies a 1st round pick. Nothing anyone can say to me makes it relevant either because of the sheer fact that no one in their right mind would give up a 1st round pick for the guy. People like John Abraham and Randy Moss go for 1st round picks. Not guys like Turner who aren't dominant at their positions let alone the fact that he's not even a starter. Who plays in front of him is irrelevant. If anything, the fact that he plays behind LT makes his stock drop because SD isn't losing a damn thing by not having him so he doesn't have true value to the team. He's obviously gonna be traded for a 3rd or a 2nd at the most to a team that wants him... ala the Jets. But there's no way anyone is gonna touch the guy if he's got a 1st round tender on him.

Point is this: SD shouldn't be allowed to put the value on him. It should be up to the league.


Turner and Coles are similar situations seeing as neither was a 1st round pick and both the teams could have tendered them lower meaning they wouldn't have got 1st round compensation. It's a fair system as it allows teams to get compensation for talented later round choices who are still young. Coles wasn't dominant at his position when he went for a 1st rounder too.
Also teams will go after him if he's got a 1st round tender because he is talented. SD will get a 1st for him if they decide to trade him considering a number of teams will be looking at him and therefore a bidding war will begin and SD will hold out for the best offer they can get.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 12 2007, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Turner and Coles are similar situations seeing as neither was a 1st round pick and both the teams could have tendered them lower meaning they wouldn't have got 1st round compensation. It's a fair system as it allows teams to get compensation for talented later round choices who are still young. Coles wasn't dominant at his position when he went for a 1st rounder too.
Also teams will go after him if he's got a 1st round tender because he is talented. SD will get a 1st for him if they decide to trade him considering a number of teams will be looking at him and therefore a bidding war will begin and SD will hold out for the best offer they can get.


Yup. The system rewards teams who draft well and find potential studs in late rounds. Theres nothing wrong with that. The Chargers were smart enough to draft him, and now hes a RFA. They deserve to be able to do what they want with him. God forbid LT ever went down, they deserve the right to put whatever compensation they want to on their own player.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jan 11 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd say, yeah ok I agree but Coles was our #1 WR when he left for Washington. He was coming off a career year and he started all the games at the same time showing his dominance at the WR position. His situation is worthy of a 1st round pick. Michael Turner on the other hand never gets carries unless it's in a meaningless situation. I just don't see how they can say he justifies a 1st round pick. Nothing anyone can say to me makes it relevant either because of the sheer fact that no one in their right mind would give up a 1st round pick for the guy. People like John Abraham and Randy Moss go for 1st round picks. Not guys like Turner who aren't dominant at their positions let alone the fact that he's not even a starter. Who plays in front of him is irrelevant. If anything, the fact that he plays behind LT makes his stock drop because SD isn't losing a damn thing by not having him so he doesn't have true value to the team. He's obviously gonna be traded for a 3rd or a 2nd at the most to a team that wants him... ala the Jets. But there's no way anyone is gonna touch the guy if he's got a 1st round tender on him.

Point is this: SD shouldn't be allowed to put the value on him. It should be up to the league.


Itís a lot more complicated then whatís being said here.

The problem is that when the "RFA" was initially instituted by the league & the union the cap was much more of a concern then it is now after the new network contract. The compensation picks due to a team is in relationship the contract tender (in essence new salary) the player receives.

If the Jetís had upped Coles tender (in essence salary) by about another $150,000 the Jetís would have received a 1st & 3rd round pick for Coles.

The league never envisioned that teams would have enough salary cap to be tendering backups with 1st round compensation.
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE (GangGreenGuy @ Jan 12 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Itís a lot more complicated then whatís being said here.

The problem is that when the "RFA" was initially instituted by the league & the union the cap was much more of a concern then it is now after the new network contract. The compensation picks due to a team is in relationship the contract tender (in essence new salary) the player receives.

If the Jetís had upped Coles tender (in essence salary) by about another $150,000 the Jetís would have received a 1st & 3rd round pick for Coles.

The league never envisioned that teams would have enough salary cap to be tendering backups with 1st round compensation.

That's a good point. If they put the first round tender on him, they have to pay him more. I'm not sure how much it is, but it's more than any backup RB should get.
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