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You are right where I thought you would be. The point is that no ne knows. Some news organizations will post the number at 100,000. Now think about that for a second. 100,000 is the entire city of Albany NY! Now if the entire city of Albany had suddenly died for whatever reason don't you think someone would notice? As I understand it 100,000 dead bodies in mass graves can been seen from space! The actual number is somewhere around 30,000. Not a small number either but it's 70% smaller then 100,000.
Ok so why did I ask this? Simple, statistics are easily and often misquoted and you shouldn't believe everything you hear. If something can be 300% percent incorrect and not many will question it then something is seriously wrong. I have said before and I'm saying again now I don't trust the news and in general statistics of any kind until I can verify them. The number I used was from the head of Coroner affairs in Iraq. I would say that's a reliable source. I'm curious to see how many people actually believe the 100,000 number and where they got it from. Not all numbers are that skewed, however, because I've heard 50,000 and even the correct 30,000. I'm not making a big deal about this, but I am thinking of doing a small project on this topic so I guess I couldn't resist asking the question.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:57 PM
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 01:13 PM
Well, HermimHero, if that is the number you want to believe then we'll agree to disagree on that too. I don't know how you cluster bomb a city like Bahgdad (with a population of millions) for days and then claim only 30,000 people died. Nevermind how much longer the fighting has been going on.
I think 30,000 is a pretty low PR style number and is probably about a half of what the reality is.
I think 30,000 is a pretty low PR style number and is probably about a half of what the reality is.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:28 PM
bombs over bagdad?
HiMH; I would hate to speculate on the # of Iraqi casualties, but I will say that more are killed by IED's from the insurgency over there. I will also say that military planning and technology has kept the number down. The other issue is that most of the insurgents that are dying for virgins are from other contries and have moved to Iraq to wage the jihad agains the westerers (mainly us)...
Do we need to start this as a seperate topic?
HiMH; I would hate to speculate on the # of Iraqi casualties, but I will say that more are killed by IED's from the insurgency over there. I will also say that military planning and technology has kept the number down. The other issue is that most of the insurgents that are dying for virgins are from other contries and have moved to Iraq to wage the jihad agains the westerers (mainly us)...
Do we need to start this as a seperate topic?
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:00 PM
I didn't mean actual Cluster Bombs, more like a cluster of bombs (or a group of bombs, somethign like that) (I figured I should have put it a differnt way).
But my point was just that we were launching missles into a major metropolitan area (population over 5 million) and to me, even though we have much better targeting systems (and etc), I can't believe that even after all this time the total isn't higher than 30,000.
But my point was just that we were launching missles into a major metropolitan area (population over 5 million) and to me, even though we have much better targeting systems (and etc), I can't believe that even after all this time the total isn't higher than 30,000.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:30 PM
Who I qutoed is much more reliable then the New York Times or Time Magazine. That's my point. some statistics are hilariously wrong and can easily be manipulated. 30,000 is a far better estimate then 100,000. Just wanted to clear up a misconception.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:37 PM
yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 01:26 AM
QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 18 2005, 09:12 PM)
yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....
My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 09:04 AM
QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ Apr 19 2005, 01:01 AM)
My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.
I think both 100,000 and 30,000 sound out of proportions. But I look at the larger cities I've been in, and I could find very few area where you could pin point drop a bomb and not kill anyone or at least a very few. Bhagdad is a major city, and when missles area launched into it I have to imagine it killing a large number of people.
And then there has been a running small scale war running for so long now, with accedntal and intentional deaths, I just can't believe the number is so low as 30,000. But yeah, 100,000 seems like too much.
Apparently, the 30,000 comes from a US source and the 100,000 comes from an Iraqi source. Either side has a vestiage interest in making the numbers suit their goals, and so I have to believe the actual number falls in the middle.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:52 AM
Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 05:36 PM
QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 19 2005, 12:27 PM)
Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....
Thanks for the input!
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 12:14 AM
This link is interesting... Good info on how they gather their stats and who is involved (mostly anti-war people). The stats they give are strictly civilian deaths caused by the US and its allies.
Iraq Body Count Project
Iraq Body Count Project
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 04:13 PM
Wow that was interesting. But if it is only 18,000 at most and only civilians then it's very feasible that my number of 30,000 total is correct. BTW me saying only is relative, I'm not making light of the numbers.
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:30 PM
Aren't we suppose to talk about Satin and stuff like that, not what happened in Iraq? We have that one War in Iraq topic the might be of more use. Speaking of Iraq, this was horrible, check out way THERE! 
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