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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 18 2005, 01:02 PM)
I only listed the most recent. Zelda was a true RPG and the first 3 FFs sucked. Only 4 and 7 were decent. Definitely not revolutionary. The same choice menu. A hybrid was more like parasite eve not Zelda. Zelda had the right idea. FF bores you too much. D&D were great RPGs as well but the newer ones sucked. And I never played eye of the beholder. Like I said I had almost every system since calico. Minus sega Saturn and dreamcast. I’ll name all the ones I had. Calico, Atari, Nintendo, super Nintendo, sega genisis, PS1, Nintendo 64, GC, PS2, and xbox. I know RPGs. FF might be popular now only because what else does PS2 have? That’s why. Its like the only RPG for play station. That’s why its popular. If I didn’t have a choice I would play it too.


You keep shwoing your ignorance. As I already said, and if you actually did some research you would know this, no game at the time of the first FF had a soundtrack as that game (and even more so in the next three) did. THose were masterful soundtracks that have all been released as albums in Japan. The reason games like Halo have great soundtracks NOW, is because FF did it THEN.

Also as I already said, games back then didn't have storylines like FF. Rarely did was there extended dialogue scenes or did charcters go through any notable personality changes. The FFs were the games that took storylines seriously and worked them into the console system.

And as you can't see why Zelda is less of an RPG than Final Fantasy:

Let me explain what an RPG is. An RPG was, in its first form, a text game. The first and most famous of these was of course Dungeons and Dragons. A text RPG is based around a few things. There is a fairly complex system for measuring stats (such as strength, speed, intelligence, and experience gained). These systems are used to develop the charcters into more powerful entites. But because D&D was originally played by a GM verbally informing the other players of what was happening, letting them choose their reactions, and then using dice as a result (most importantly because all this was done without any physical representation of the world the charcters inhabitated) the game also emphasized storytelling. It was important for the GM to be able to relate what a monster, what the enviroment the charcters were in, what everything looked and/or smelled like. Thus RPGs became a genre in which a story was the binding force of the action. THe most successful RPGs have always been ones with well thought out plots. (also, let me emphasize again that the RPG has a tradition of havign no physical representation of the actual game, although later players began using drawn mazes and caves and scale modeled figures)

Early in the life of home computers developers were already trying to take these games and translate their systems into a video games. THe first truley successfull attempt were three games that used a first person view and a functional version of the D&D numbers system. From "rolling dice" to create your charcter to "rolling dice" to turn back and attack or resist a magic spell, these games simulated teh whole experience.

Now, with the Genre there, a lot of games started to come out based on the same ideas. Mostly they were semi-plot driven stories about a hero trying to save his village or lost love, and in the process getting some new equipment and some more life or magic powers. But for a long time nothing came out that really changed things. Then RPGs kind of forked (as I already pointed out, these two games were released within a month of each other).

On the one hand, there was Zelda. The first two Zelda games had simple stat increases (life and magic meters) and a couple weapon upgrades. But the game tended towards action as you moved the charcter around, fought monsters in real time, and in general had a much more physical game. In general, Zleda tended more towards a Bayou Billy or Byonic Commando than D&D.

Then there was Final Fantasy. FF tended towards the more true D&D style of RPG. THere was a large overworld map, and moving into areas triggered a shift into a smaller area. The charcters were much less linear than in many previous RPGs, and much more similar to D&D where you could choose your's charcter class, spells, armor from a wide assortment. When you fought a monster (which was essentailly a random event, with no monsters appearing on the overworld map), you were shifted to a batlle screen where you choose what type of attack to do and the game worked out what happened.

In addition, FF (and they really took it to new heights with IV) was the first console game with a fairly complex plot. The FFs (and I especially mean I-VI and IX) were extremly plot heavy (and so I guess could be called "boring" by some people more interested in action based games) that emphasized charcters' personalitys, their reaction to events, and charcter development.

Today, so many genres are so mixed it is hard not to start labeling most games with multiple names (action/RPG/adventure or FPS/action), and in particular many games made in the current era tend to have many elements of RPG. But a true RPG is always going to be a game that has a noticable nod to it's D&D heritage.


So I hope you see why Final Fantasy is a series that is by far more RPG than many others. As a side note, and I kinda of hinted at this earlier, the first...First Person games were RPGs. So those original D&D games were some of the literally most revolutinary games ever made.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:18 PM

That’s a very good post but your missing the whole point. FF wasn’t the first to do it. You said your self it was played w/o systems just dice then basically translated to games. Monopoly on the PC isn’t a breakthrough just a translation. Like playing magoc the card game (which I have never played) I don’t doubt FF was revolutionary but it wasn’t entertaining albeit I was very young when it first came out so that never interested me. I’m also not much of a book reader. A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG. By you definition FF and D&D are the only RPGs. Morrowind had more text (I believe they said 5 times more the war and piece) in it but is nothing fitting into your description. Like I said good post but still not fully fact. More of an opinion. So ignorant isn’t what you should call me
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:34 PM

Nice try to blow off my argument. I called them "true" RPGs, but also called Zelda a branch of it. THere are RPGs with more action in them, but they aren;t as purely an RPG as these games. That makes them a blend. How much of a blend? Should they be called RPG/Action or Action/RPG? That is a different thing than what we are talking about. You said Zelda is more of an RPG than FF, and it isn't. D&D is what created teh term RPG, FF sticks more closely to that formula, Zelda contains much more action and less furthering than the charcter, and so FF is more of a true RPG than Zelda. Fact.

I called FF revolutionary for it's use of music, it's emphasis on charcter development (which no video game before amongst other things), and for it's successful translation of the D&D system into a video game. The D&D games did that.

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A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG


Yes I said that. And just about every video game does that, NOW. Before the RPGs began changing things, video game charcters tended towards beign the same from start ot finish. A charcter's stats, weapons, etc didn't improve throughout the game. In today's games almost every charcter gets better as the game goes on, which is all based in the RPG tradition. But we both know that there is a difference between Morrowind or Fable and GTA or Grand Turismo (okay, GT is pretty close to RPGhood, but not GTA), so don't try to blur the line just to make my argument look bad.

If you don't like to read, than a game with loads of text and little direct action probably wouldn't intrest you. But there is a differnce between you not liking to read and being boring. I can promise you I find very few games to be as interesting as a lot of books.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:39 PM

Fact I didn’t say Zelda was more of an RPG. I said it is more of what an RPG should be. Basically saying that’s how I like my RPGs. Read first. There is no fact when it comes to games. A lot is a gray area. There are a lot of games that can be classified as RPG just like hunter the reckoning which started as what you call a traditiol RPG and now has become a hybrid. Fact is its all opinion. This is getting a little to far for something this petty. Can’t we just agree to disagree?
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 03:44 PM

PS3 is better now and will be better later than XBox360. That's the point of this post fellers! Who gives a *beep* about RPG's? You need an ass kicking system to play it on right? Right! So for better video game play, get a PS3. Or waste your money on an XBox. You'll get the MS MO, "If it's broke, dont fix it! Buy someone elses!" Like everything else MS does, they can't come up with new ideas nor increase the performance of the XBox due to lack of innovation and "creative" thinking.

So lets just agree to disagree on the rpg ... and once we all come to our senses we can agree that Xbox is gonna be eating the turds the PS3 left behind for it!
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:12 PM

Your right MS can’t come up with any ideas. All they did is create xbox live, internal hard drive, top graphics engine to date, the burn music for custom sound tracks ability, online stat tracking, etc. on their first try for a system. Sony was on its second and still couldn’t compare. I hate to say it but all you sony loyalists are idiots if you think that. Right now we don’t know which is better not until they come out. Hey I’m a knick fan and a huge loyalist to them but I’m realistic. They suck. That simple. I’ll probably wind up with the xbox 360 which I hear is also a tivo dvd burner and more. PS2 sucks compared to the xbox but who knows which one will be better but all I know is history repeats itself and if it does then the new xbox will be better
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:24 PM

hey moderators can this topic get moved, no offense but i amgetting sick of this...

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i dont want to be a biatch about it, but thats my two cents... when i come into the football forum it really throws off my mindset to read video game stuff, and i usuall yend up not reading it anyway... but eh, i digress
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:59 PM

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ May 18 2005, 12:31 AM)
Notice. I never posted during this argument. WHy? because I cannot get into these arguments. I have too much to say. and way too little time to say it. Like right now I should have been asleep for like 2 hours already but I had to come here. You know what? This is my last ever post. I need to get my time in priority. I have no time since I've been home between work and my social life. I'm sorry but I respect you all and love this place, but I need my life back and while I was about to post my feelings on the games spoken previously about I decided I couldnt say it all. Good luck to you all and GO JETS!

You're kidding right? I hope you are, I'll miss you. But this belongs elsewhere, it was wierd to find it here.
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