[gmany3k]

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.BUT HERE IT IS:
http://www.disinfota.../satan4pres.htm

[JSOTF]

Some ideas are OK, just change the name.....

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Yea, smaller government and no berocracy(sp?). Sounds like a libratarian to me. The Libritarian movement is beggining people you heard it here first, that party will make noise soon, first in the Senate, then maybe replace the democrats (since no one votes for them anyway! lol) (that's not a rip on Democrats since I have alot of respect for the them, that was kind of a friendly joke).

[haveyouseenpenningtonplay]

He's got my vote

[ellisjersey92]

the bureaucracy is who makes decisions on that kind of stuff, and they're definitly not going to eliminate themselves, but i agree the gov't should be less top heavy

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Well two things:

A.) I know that the three party system is inheritly unfair to one of the candidates.

and

B.) I feel that if the Democrates where to fall into obscurity then the only possible outcome would be the Republican party splitting into two parties, one being the Libratatian party (since these people tend to be more pro-choice and generally more to the left then the Republican party). Why would an even further left party develope in a country where left ideas have become obscure? This probably wont happen but that's what I think would happen if it did.

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Well I have alot of respect for Democrats so dont think that I am biased here. I was giving a hypothetical situation. Also what I think would happen given such a situation. Also this has nothing to do with Fox News. I'm sure CNN helps you sleep at night, which is fine, but I prefer not to watch or rely on biased news sources for my news. I was making my obscure comment based on the fact that the majority in the senate and the presidency are all Republican. This is not me attacking Democrates, this is me explaining what I said and why I said it. But I don't believe any of it will happen.

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Good point. No child left behind is a perfect example of this. It's the least conservative piece of legislation I've ever seen. It makes gov't too big. I feel like Bush did it to shut people up and make it seem like he's actually doing something. He's also spending way too much. I'd like to see more vouchers issued. And I'd like for Bush to focus on just a few issues and not every one. Anyone else notice how ever since the Iraqi elections no one is talking about Iraq? He's done such a good job there (IMO) and needs to focus on what he is good at, instead of NCLB and things like the Terry Schiavo controversy.

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Yea and the News can tell people what ever they want and not too many people will question it. Obviously we saw the whole Dan Rather thing unfold and he made himself look silly in front of the whole country (maybe even the world, I wouldn't know that however). My point is take everything you read and hear and see (for even footage can be misleading) with a grain of salt because you don't know what is really the truth and what is a manipulation to get you to think or feel a certain way. Things may be true or false, you don't know, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Chadforpresidentin08]

Hey, I'm a democrat Hermismyhero. George Bush is an *beep*! He goes into iraq just to finish up an already finished job. He did nothing in the Air National Guard other than run away to Alabama to get drunk. His wife Laura was a librarian when they married and after their marriage he announced he doesn't like to read. He vactioned like 47% of the tme in office before 9/11. Speaking of 9/11 and reading, he had documents saying all about it before 9/11, but he never read them. What an ass.

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Yeah... I'm not going to argue with you, but about 50% of that which you just said came from a movie called "Farenhiet 9/11." That movie was a joke. My response is basically don't believe everything that you see/read/hear on TV/the newspaper/movies/radio.

[Chadforpresidentin08]

Well his own staff said he showed up 8 times at the Air National Guard, but they made that sound like a record. He flew crappy F-105s there, those were terrible even back then. But if we can't belive what we hear on the T.V or radio, read it in the books or newspaper, watch a documentary about it, what can we believe?

[gmany3k]

Yeah... I'm not going to argue with you, but about 50% of that which you just said came from a movie called "Farenhiet 9/11." That movie was a joke. My response is basically don't believe everything that you see/read/hear on TV/the newspaper/movies/radio.

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Well his own staff said he showed up 8 times at the Air National Guard, but they made that sound like a record. He flew crappy F-105s there, those were terrible even back then. But if we can't belive what we hear on the T.V or radio, read it in the books or newspaper, watch a documentary about it, what can we believe?

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you guys are really talking it up. all of you guys are quite literate and can reaLLY express yourselves , a great command. and in just a few posts you have gotten right to the point.
BELIEF the hardest thing to overcome in this world.these posts which the topic is about government or more precisley SATANS government IS the whole point. he is a liar,cunning,deceitful and death and destruction is his way.
A lie can not exist with out a thread of truth. some of you respectful don't believe In a GOD but when Jesus SAID IN THE GOSPEL WHICH MEANS GOOD NEWS he said believe in the gospel and you will be saved. he was telling mankind all about how his rule will come into being that he was GOD and that SATAN rule was defeated by his death and resurrection.I am not really preaching here just trying to get it into prospective.so there is a problem here you have truth and lies, GOD and SATAN and belief and unbelief.life or death.And you live in the infomation age.
SO HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

[Chadforpresidentin08]

Satan isn't real. Hell is just a made up place to make people act good because if they know about hell they know if they do bad they go to there.

[ManginiIsMyHero]

Listen, C4Prez, if you want tro believe that Satan isn't real and that there is no Hell then fine. But I want you to about this: If we're wrong, and you are right, then fine, all is well. But if we're right and you're wrong, then what are you going to say to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates? God is to be feared, but not in the earthly common sense of the word. He's to be fear in the sense that he has the power to judge, and you should fear this. All great leaders in history were feared. Fear keeps people in line, it keeps people from rising up and over throwing the ruler. Read Nicolo Machieveli's "The Prince" and you will understand this concept. It works for God as well. "The Bible" is obviously the better read on God then "The Prince." The message reamains the same.

[JSOTF]

Wow, this is some DEEP Shit.....I have left this alone for some time, but I will now rant....

Why do we care what Mr. Bush did in the National Guard? We didnt give a crap with Mr. Clinton? He took his sorry ass to Canada. Has any of you folks served this country? If you haven't, why do you care about Iraq? It is like everything in America, If it doesn't affect you, who the hell cares. Bottom line is the president doesnt have 100% of the power....

I have served for 11 years now in the US Army, I have missed the last 4 Christmas's and the birth of my twins, along with countless significant family events. I have served in 4 different combat zones. I was just injured during my 2nd tour in Iraq. I see the news on TV and all that is ever talked about is the negative things. Soldiers killing injured Iraqis' soldiers doing this, that. All negative. There are never stories of the positive things that are going on.

Maybe Iraq was a bad idea...I mean Sadam was as peacefull innocent man..he never wanted to hurt anyone....If you think that he had/has no weopons of mass destruction over there, your are on some good stuff....You should pull convoy security with me for an hour....you will change your mind... ...
In this day in age we have to understand a few things...there is alot of things that go on that everyday civilians could not fathom..
..but if my service in Iraq, Afganistan, Bosnia and Africa mean that our country will not have a repeat of 9-11-2001.....I will do it all over again....and I don't want any 'Thank You's'....Just make sure it never happens again....