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FlyHiJets Icon : (18 September 2014 - 10:57 AM) #68 should get retired but considering he didn't end his career with us............
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 11:18 AM) Decker is practing today, hopefully he's fine. I finally can watch a jets game live this Monday night
santana Icon : (18 September 2014 - 01:30 PM) That's good
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:11 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:11 PM) FIRE RAUL
Jetsman05 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:27 PM) agreed
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:49 PM) Oh hey there buddy
Jetsman05 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:52 PM) harlem whats up dude
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:57 PM) Nada much man getting ready to watch this game
Jetsman05 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 06:58 PM) watching Kansas State shoot themselves
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 07:04 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 08:35 PM) Should have signed Hester.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 September 2014 - 08:36 PM) this game might be the worst game I have ever watched, pretty pathetic.
azjetfan Icon : (18 September 2014 - 09:31 PM) With our complete disaster of a secondary I am a little surprised we have not either signed a guy like Samuel or made a trade
azjetfan Icon : (19 September 2014 - 04:06 PM) Milliner also has a quad now. It really makes sense just to sit him until he is 100%. Lets get healthy instead of risking injury or letting Marshal go 80 for a TD.
azjetfan Icon : (20 September 2014 - 03:53 PM) Looks like Milliner will sit this week. Has not practiced this week.
santana Icon : (20 September 2014 - 04:20 PM) WOO! Real! 8-2 shooting practice
santana Icon : (20 September 2014 - 04:21 PM) boo Liverpool
santana Icon : (20 September 2014 - 04:21 PM) FIRE RAUL!
santana Icon : (20 September 2014 - 04:21 PM) idzik for admin! Milber for moderator!
santana Icon : (20 September 2014 - 04:32 PM) http://gifwall.net/g...a3jjPhnyiS0.gif
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:14 AM) RIP Rob Bironas
Canuck Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Could some enlightened person explain why our secondary is such a mess despite tons of cap space? It's a passing league, better fix that soon or we'll see the Packers game all season.
greenandwhit... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:21 AM) Grew up watching bironas... Good kicker RIP.
greenandwhit... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:30 AM) Well as one aspiring to be an analyst on football i would say it's because we're trying to save up to makes some big moves next year. If you look at next year's potential free agents they're top of the line. If Ryan and Idznik can keep that cap room... Some great things can happen defensively.
greenandwhit... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:30 AM) and offensively as well.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:32 PM) Dude bironas was solid that really sucks
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:30 PM) Sunday kinda sucks without jets football
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:50 PM) So who's having JETS withdrawls?
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:50 PM) I didn't even watch any 1pm games cause all they had were the CHEATriots on
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:50 PM) now I'm flipping between the Den/Sea and the Az/SF games
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:51 PM) http://cdn.nextimpul...lbergstoned.gif
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:52 PM) HILARIOUS!!!!
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:56 PM) kraft is a pathetic troll
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:56 PM) and even a "fan" of the CHEATriots doesn't even give him any attention
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:28 PM) I still can't believe we lost to the packers and they go and lose to Detroit
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:28 PM) we lost that game they didn't beat us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:55 PM) I really hope Decker is able to play tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:55 PM) but without risking further injury cause we are going to need him later in the season
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:56 PM) and our running game better go off tomorrow night
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:51 PM) some good games today
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:51 PM) manning 4th quarter drive was pretty sick
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:52 PM) so was russels OT drive
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:52 PM) cousins looks legit for the skins
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:52 PM) eagles another 4th quarter come back they seem really well conditioned
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:57 PM

You are right where I thought you would be. The point is that no ne knows. Some news organizations will post the number at 100,000. Now think about that for a second. 100,000 is the entire city of Albany NY! Now if the entire city of Albany had suddenly died for whatever reason don't you think someone would notice? As I understand it 100,000 dead bodies in mass graves can been seen from space! The actual number is somewhere around 30,000. Not a small number either but it's 70% smaller then 100,000.

Ok so why did I ask this? Simple, statistics are easily and often misquoted and you shouldn't believe everything you hear. If something can be 300% percent incorrect and not many will question it then something is seriously wrong. I have said before and I'm saying again now I don't trust the news and in general statistics of any kind until I can verify them. The number I used was from the head of Coroner affairs in Iraq. I would say that's a reliable source. I'm curious to see how many people actually believe the 100,000 number and where they got it from. Not all numbers are that skewed, however, because I've heard 50,000 and even the correct 30,000. I'm not making a big deal about this, but I am thinking of doing a small project on this topic so I guess I couldn't resist asking the question.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 08:43 PM

Patrick Satan is a good hockey player....but I doubt he should be president....man, the NHL is desperate... laugh.gif
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 12:20 PM

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Good comic relief..lol
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 01:13 PM

Well, HermimHero, if that is the number you want to believe then we'll agree to disagree on that too. I don't know how you cluster bomb a city like Bahgdad (with a population of millions) for days and then claim only 30,000 people died. Nevermind how much longer the fighting has been going on.

I think 30,000 is a pretty low PR style number and is probably about a half of what the reality is.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:28 PM

bombs over bagdad?

HiMH; I would hate to speculate on the # of Iraqi casualties, but I will say that more are killed by IED's from the insurgency over there. I will also say that military planning and technology has kept the number down. The other issue is that most of the insurgents that are dying for virgins are from other contries and have moved to Iraq to wage the jihad agains the westerers (mainly us)...

Do we need to start this as a seperate topic?
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 05:29 PM

BTW cluster bombs would destroy mostly everything.....you would be better off counting survivors......lol
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 06:00 PM

I didn't mean actual Cluster Bombs, more like a cluster of bombs (or a group of bombs, somethign like that) (I figured I should have put it a differnt way).

But my point was just that we were launching missles into a major metropolitan area (population over 5 million) and to me, even though we have much better targeting systems (and etc), I can't believe that even after all this time the total isn't higher than 30,000.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

Who I qutoed is much more reliable then the New York Times or Time Magazine. That's my point. some statistics are hilariously wrong and can easily be manipulated. 30,000 is a far better estimate then 100,000. Just wanted to clear up a misconception.
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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:37 PM

yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 01:26 AM

QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 18 2005, 09:12 PM)
yah, we just launched missiles into populated areas for the most collateral damage....just like the tactics from WWI, WWII and Vietnam....big ol' B52's carpet bombing huge populated cities.....we dont have ANY technology....Damned Americans....


My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ Apr 19 2005, 01:01 AM)
My thoughts exactly. I'm sorry but 100,000 is just ridiculous. JSOTF does 30,000 sound too small to you? I know you're staying out of this but I guess your input is appreciated.


I think both 100,000 and 30,000 sound out of proportions. But I look at the larger cities I've been in, and I could find very few area where you could pin point drop a bomb and not kill anyone or at least a very few. Bhagdad is a major city, and when missles area launched into it I have to imagine it killing a large number of people.

And then there has been a running small scale war running for so long now, with accedntal and intentional deaths, I just can't believe the number is so low as 30,000. But yeah, 100,000 seems like too much.

Apparently, the 30,000 comes from a US source and the 100,000 comes from an Iraqi source. Either side has a vestiage interest in making the numbers suit their goals, and so I have to believe the actual number falls in the middle.
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:52 AM

Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....
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Posted 19 April 2005 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (JSOTF @ Apr 19 2005, 12:27 PM)
Well, I think the nunbers through-out Iraq would total 25,000 at best......When we target facilities we use some awesome technologies....We try our best to minnimize civilian casualties....we want to kill the insurgents that manage to attack us on a daily basis.....


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Posted 21 April 2005 - 12:14 AM

This link is interesting... Good info on how they gather their stats and who is involved (mostly anti-war people). The stats they give are strictly civilian deaths caused by the US and its allies.

Iraq Body Count Project
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 04:13 PM

Wow that was interesting. But if it is only 18,000 at most and only civilians then it's very feasible that my number of 30,000 total is correct. BTW me saying only is relative, I'm not making light of the numbers.
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

Aren't we suppose to talk about Satin and stuff like that, not what happened in Iraq? We have that one War in Iraq topic the might be of more use. Speaking of Iraq, this was horrible, check out way THERE! blowup.gif
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