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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) well
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) Because we destoy any promise in our young QBs with our elite offensive support talent.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) another game next week
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 3-0 with Sanchez? Oh god...we've gone there already?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) jets need more talent on O
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) and some god damn DBs
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) Morninweg's system is get the offense going then throw a monkey wrench into things by putting the backup QB in there and f***ing up the offense's rhythm.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:50 PM) Yes I went there. Geno spots these teams 7-10 points weekly and has turned the ball in the redzone 3 games in a row. If not for 2 dropped ints geno would have 4 picks. Dude sucks at best
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:51 PM) Then we got Chris ivory running like marshawn lynch out there and they sit him on the bench the whole fourth quarter
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) I'd like to use the same excuse I used for Sanchez. QB can't really do shit when your best WR would be a #3 if he was lucky on any other team
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) yeah but sanchez was shell shcoked
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) jets werent fixing him
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) Geno will be to after another year or two of this shit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) What's kerleys contract like
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) because if he's underpaid I don't see him sticking around
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) he only looks good because our O is so bad.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) I bet a lot of teams have their eye on him
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:56 PM) Decker doesn't need to play until he is completely healthy
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:58 PM) FIRE IDZIK
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:08 PM) How big was the Sheldon Richardson fumble recovery not being a TD. We quickly went three and out after that
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 PM) Idzik better not be stingy this offseason and address the biggest issues we have WR and Secondary
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:47 PM) King mo says he's ok, injury is minor
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 09:21 AM) As a guy who has been on this site since its inception and is still not a moderator which I guess is cause I'm not part of the rat pack who runs this joint I think GENO should still be the starter.
mgjetman Icon : (Today, 10:19 AM) We still could have won this game with the bad calls. Geno just sucks. All the pick six's, missing wide open receivers, bad throws when they are fought. Stupid trick plays because they don't trust him.
santana Icon : (Today, 10:31 AM) I don't get his decision making
santana Icon : (Today, 10:32 AM) There were another 2-3 ints the bears were gifted but were dropped
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:22 AM) f***
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:22 AM) I had a blast at the game... just sucks we lost
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:22 AM) 1-3 when I go se them
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:32 AM) Refs fucked up the fumble for a TD. by calling it down the first time everyone in the stadium saw it as a fumble
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:33 AM) they need to just let them plays play out because they now look at every turnover
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:33 AM) If hes down they could just overturn it on the replay
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:33 AM) f*** Holmes to
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 12:22 PM) gg2003 you want to be a mod?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 12:22 PM) You have to go through your initiation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 12:43 PM) Gg03 would be a terrif
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:43 PM) what is the "initiation"
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:47 PM) :zz:
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:53 PM) and no I will not say that Idzik needs to be canned cause he doesn't
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:54 PM) he just needs to find talent at the CB and WR positions while also improving in positions that are currently our strengths like DL and OL
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 01:30 PM) Fire idzik!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 01:45 PM) Best part of last night was Wayne Chrebet going onto the Ring of Honor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) u think our oline is a strength? did u not see geno getting killed out there?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) LG is a shit position, colon is old and nto much left in the tank, brick and mangold are in decline, and brent is a below average RT at best
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:22 PM)
Now you are winking at me like you got me riled up or something? I told you go after Billy the Queer not me. And of course I needed to set you straight cause you think you can attack our knowledge of football because you are a Pats fan and you are in denial.

I certainly can attack your knowledge of the Patriots.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:22 PM)
Now you are winking at me like you got me riled up or something? I told you go after Billy the Queer not me. And of course I needed to set you straight cause you think you can attack our knowledge of football because you are a Pats fan and you are in denial.

I can certainly attack your knowledge concerning the Patriots.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:52 PM

Yeah well you haven't done it yet because you some how feel that coaching isn't a big deal yet you think your coach can do anything so yet coaching is everything at the same time so which one is it?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:53 PM

Belichick is right now the best coach in the NFL, can we stop attacking him just cause he stood up the Jets?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:56 PM

No because everyone wants to give all the credit to the guy in charge and no credit to the Coordinators.

Let me ask you something, who is responsible for our Defense? Herm or Donnie? Exactly what I thought. It's the Head Coaches job to hire the right people and manage situations but its the coordinators job to call the right plays and coach his side of the ball, be it personelle or playcalling.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:27 PM)
Yeah well you haven't done it yet because you some how feel that coaching isn't a big deal yet you think your coach can do anything so yet coaching is everything at the same time so which one is it?

The Patriots have a great head coach. The Jets have great coordinators. No coordinator has ever told Belichick how to run his team and that's why he'll be fine. He was always in charge before and is now. If you're paying close attention to the Patriots, you'd be focusing much more on the Bruschi situation which is still unresolved. Bruschi's loss WOULD be a big deal to the D and could potentially affect the Patriots much more than the playcalling situation will.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:58 PM

Ok so Donnie has all the credit for defense, Hackett all his fault for offense, what exactly was Herm doin? And don't say managing the clock.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:58 PM

That is probably the DUMBEST statement I have ever heard from anyone "claiming" to have football knowledge. You are telling me that losing 1 guy on Defense is more detrimental then losing the guy that tells your 1 guy what to play? Where is your superior logic and reasoning abilities?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jul 15 2005, 02:33 PM)
Ok so Donnie has all the credit for defense, Hackett all his fault for offense, what exactly was Herm doin? And don't say managing the clock.



I already addressed that, Herm's job is to manage the situations and boost player morale, get the most out of his players, etc...

If you think that the head coach calls the plays and this and that you are mistaken. They delegate those responsibilities to Coordinators and sometimes they will veto their opinion. Does the President deal with all the issues of government? If so why have a House of Reps or a Senate or a Court system? The President hires people when he gets elected to do certain jobs, like Secretary of Defense. Same thing with the head coach.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:31 PM)
No because everyone wants to give all the credit to the guy in charge and no credit to the Coordinators.

Let me ask you something, who is responsible for our Defense? Herm or Donnie? Exactly what I thought. It's the Head Coaches job to hire the right people and manage situations but its the coordinators job to call the right plays and coach his side of the ball, be it personelle or playcalling.

That's the way it works in New York and with many other teams. It's not the way it works in New England and never has. Belichick always works on the game plans. The coordinators call the routine plays but on third downs and other critical plays, The coordinators would check with Belichick first.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:33 PM)
That is probably the DUMBEST statement I have ever heard from anyone "claiming" to have football knowledge. You are telling me that losing 1 guy on Defense is more detrimental then losing the guy that tells your 1 guy what to play? Where is your superior logic and reasoning abilities?

It only sounds dumb because you may know the Jets but when it comes to the Patriots you don't know what you don't know.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:10 PM

Yes I know how football coaches work, but thanks for that little lesson, but Head Coaches has the final say and are responsible for the whole team. And Belichick clearly takes on more duties then most. Just accept that he is a great coach, it doesn't make you any less of a Jet fan. Intelligent fans give respect where respect is due. 3 rings earn my respect.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:13 PM

You didn't answer my question, in fact you dodged right over it so I will ask it again:

You feel that coaching isn't important because the Coordinators [ because of your personal conversations w/ Billy and cause you are at the practices and so forth ] dont do anything but what Belichick tells them to do and your head coach is the best coach to ever live because of his superior coaching skills and he is all you need. Well some people said that about Joe Gibbs, Marty, and a few others and those guys have more talent on their teams than the Pats do, so why are they not there? Because they dont have good Coordinators and this exposes them as not actually being the geniuses everyone thought them to be.

So what is it: Coaching is important, or coaching doesn't mean anything at all? Cause you can't have it both ways. You have to admit it sooner or later that Coordinators are a MAJOR part of how a team operates and that by losing your Coordinators you aren't the same Patriots.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:15 PM

I have respect for what he has done, however I respect his Coordinators which YOU wont do. Neither one of you infact will give credit where credit is due so dont give me your "little lessons".
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:21 PM

Nightowl, I didn't disappear from a thread. Just didn't keep up with it. I am a very busy man running a business and can't really keep up with all the responses in threads. To be honest, I can't believe I'm even engaging with a fan from another team on a Jets forum.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Hermanator @ Jul 15 2005, 02:56 PM)
Nightowl, I didn't disappear from a thread.  Just didn't keep up with it.  I am a very busy man running a business and can't really keep up with all the responses in threads.  To be honest, I can't believe I'm even engaging with a fan from another team on a Jets forum.


Exactly ... they come in here cause they are scared of the Jets. They have been taught by the media that the Jets suck, no dont worry about the Jets, yet we were 2 f'ked up kicks from playing the Pats and I bet we wouldve won that game due to all the momentum we would've had. Playing games that were important and winning them in OT and such and just battling it out. We had amazing confidence and momentum and Pats fans fear us for that cause our team is still intact and infact got better with hiring the most successful OC in the league.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:25 PM

And there team did nothing but lose a whole bunch, but it doesn't matter. They could have the Dolphins team playing for Belicheck and they will win a Superbowl, right?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:48 PM)
You didn't answer my question, in fact you dodged right over it so I will ask it again:

You feel that coaching isn't important because the Coordinators [ because of your personal conversations w/ Billy and cause you are at the practices and so forth ] dont do anything but what Belichick tells them to do and your head coach is the best coach to ever live because of his superior coaching skills and he is all you need. Well some people said that about Joe Gibbs, Marty, and a few others and those guys have more talent on their teams than the Pats do, so why are they not there? Because they dont have good Coordinators and this exposes them as not actually being the geniuses everyone thought them to be.

So what is it: Coaching is important, or coaching doesn't mean anything at all? Cause you can't have it both ways. You have to admit it sooner or later that Coordinators are a MAJOR part of how a team operates and that by losing your Coordinators you aren't the same Patriots.

You're hatred of all things Belichick (and quite possibly me as well) is showing because now you're rambling. To be honest I don't have the slightest idea of what you're trying to say in this post. Care to rephrase?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE (jets0n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:58 PM)
Exactly ... they come in here cause they are scared of the Jets. They have been taught by the media that the Jets suck, no dont worry about the Jets, yet we were 2 f'ked up kicks from playing the Pats and I bet we wouldve won that game due to all the momentum we would've had. Playing games that were important and winning them in OT and such and just battling it out. We had amazing confidence and momentum and Pats fans fear us for that cause our team is still intact and infact got better with hiring the most successful OC in the league.

That is out and out funny. You DO remember what happened in week 15, don't you?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:31 PM

Oh my god you are dumb so I will quote myself again:

QUOTE (For the idiot Pats fan)
Yeah well you haven't done it yet because you some how feel that coaching isn't a big deal yet you think your coach can do anything so yet coaching is everything at the same time so which one is it?


If you can't understand this then I am going to end all converstation with you.
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